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Hicks58
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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Reply #20 on:
March 22, 2011, 03:53:37 pm »
From experience, when they label a unit separately from others in a launcher description, it is because it gets something different to the wide category mentioned just before it.
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March 22, 2011, 03:56:36 pm »
Quote from: Hicks58 on March 22, 2011, 03:35:59 pm
Dunno where people are getting 25% more damage against Tigers from, the description says 15% against it. If something is different in the background statistics, the launcher isn't saying so.
from the RGDs its not that hard
launcher descriptions are a worthless source for information since they never get updated (imho not that important)
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smurfORnot
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March 22, 2011, 11:30:24 pm »
Quote from: Tymathee on March 22, 2011, 11:31:54 am
well, panthers usually suck vs pershing anyway, that was your bad.
so what non doctorinal unit should wehr use against pershing?
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March 22, 2011, 11:33:50 pm »
Quote from: smurfORnot on March 22, 2011, 11:30:24 pm
so what non doctorinal unit should wehr use against pershing?
mass paks? or get a bunch of upgun pumas? do what allies do when they have to deal with a tiger/KT/Jagd.
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panzerman
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 22, 2011, 11:44:06 pm »
they use hvap pershings...
upgun pumas don't kill fast enough.
Quote from: Tymathee on March 22, 2011, 11:31:54 am
well, panthers usually suck vs pershing anyway, that was your bad.
so why does pershing need to kill them faster?
should only be vs tiger/KT/jadg.
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Tymathee
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March 23, 2011, 12:01:43 am »
Quote from: smurfORnot on March 22, 2011, 11:30:24 pm
so what non doctorinal unit should wehr use against pershing?
what non doctrinal unit should ami's use against tigers? same problem, they're both hard tanks to take down, but the Pershing is made to take on Panthers, so going 1 v 1 is just retarded. Now, you can use a Panther + other stuff and you'd win but going 1 v 1 no.
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 03:46:36 am »
Quote from: Tymathee on March 23, 2011, 12:01:43 am
what non doctrinal unit should ami's use against tigers? same problem, they're both hard tanks to take down, but the Pershing is made to take on Panthers, so going 1 v 1 is just retarded. Now, you can use a Panther + other stuff and you'd win but going 1 v 1 no.
57mms optional AP rounds., M10s, Stickies, Bazookas to ass, That was one of the dumbest question I've ever heard. "what should amis use against tigers" lul the same shite they use every game.
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panzerman
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 04:10:41 am »
tym did u read what smurf said a vet2 pak + vet 2 Panther...
pershing didn't need to be more effective vs panthers, but tigers, KT's and jadgs i can uderstand.
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smurfORnot
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March 23, 2011, 07:30:44 am »
pak bounces quite a bit prshing front...
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BigDick
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March 23, 2011, 07:43:38 am »
paks are ok against pershings but the reason pershings own and especially with dual repair is that paks don't complete rape pershings like ATGs with AP rounds do with tigers
furthermore because of no button and sticky threat (slow=dead) and no fast cheap tankdestroyers like M10 (that does a great job finishing off tigers that need to go for repair) the most pershings can get off their repairs
i had a dual panther company myself some time ago to fight these broken armored jumbospam (paks = useless against jumbos) but since every bob is using dual pershings nowadays i had to switch back to tigers
the panther just suck balls against pershings...
its an AT only tank that cost not that less than tigers/pershings and get assraped by these in terms of AT capabilities....
the 10% fuel decrease was a good step into right direction but either tigers and pershings are way to cheap or panther is still way overpriced...
we have to think about that the AI capabilities of Pershings/Tigers in terms of splash damage are 25x times higher than of panthers
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NightRain
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March 23, 2011, 08:17:55 am »
panthers can chase and kill pershings that need to repair. They aren't exactly Cheap M10s but they can wiggle free from the grasps as it is one of the fastest tank Axis have.
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LeoPhone
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March 23, 2011, 08:21:17 am »
sure.. use panthers like m10s...
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smurfORnot
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March 23, 2011, 09:21:59 am »
cheap and expendable
whenever I used panther to chase something(unless it was like barely alive),that usually resulted with deat panther,because you would always run into a 57 or 2,and other form of at,and panther isnt rly all that durable,specially when hit from side/rear...
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Malgoroth
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 10:54:10 am »
I didn't use HVAP for all that long before I switched back to HE. I have enough other units that can deal with Tiger/KT/jagd (stickies, AP ATGs, M10s) that I'd rather use my pershings to fill the massive AI gap. Besides... it's not like the Pershing is useless against those units, you just can't expect it to to go 1v1. Even with HVAP, going 1 on 1 with another heavy is super inefficient. The thing will simply lose too much health in the fight to make it worthwhile. I use it's speed to smash through hedges to get a side shot or 2, then back off. Speed is where the Pershing gets most of its strength imo.
And even without HVAP, I lol at panthers with my Pershing. They have little health, so a penetrating shot is a gut punch with spiked brass knuckles for that thing.
Of course, that doesn't mean the panther is useless either. Much like the Pershing, the panthers main strength is in its speed. Fast attack through a hedge or around a building to get that all important rear/side shot then back off.
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Tymathee
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 10:59:53 am »
wow, so allies have one tank that give the WM fits. And whoever mentioned button, i thought we were talking US v Wehr here? Cuz if u want to get into PE, PE has better options vs Pershings than US have vs Tigers.
I'm not saying the Pershing is good cuz it is but I think that some of the axis players are making a huge deal, it's the one unit that really gives the Axis a hard time other than the Jumbo and the Jumbo in terms of firepower isn't that great until you get reapers and then it can only reliably kill p4's and stugs, other wise it's a severely down gunned Tiger.
Quote from: NightRain on March 23, 2011, 03:46:36 am
57mms optional AP rounds., M10s, Stickies, Bazookas to ass, That was one of the dumbest question I've ever heard. "what should amis use against tigers" lul the same shite they use every game.
57mm's really? you gotta be kidding me, I've seen so many Tigers go toe to toe with 1 or more 57s that's a joke. I had 2 atgs placed against a tiger, it just drove up, and blasted them both. M-10's, please, there's always pak or schreck cover. Bazookas lmao the Tiger will rape the living crap out of any Ranger squad that tries to get close, see you have to actually get to the back of it and thats pretty dang hard.
So, tell me, if the allies have so many freakin options to use against Tigers, why are there so many dang Tigers! Obviously, what the allies have isn't good enough, or there wouldn't be so many of them.
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LeoPhone
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 11:04:48 am »
2 atgs with AP rounds take 375 hp away every volley. in 3 volleys tiger is dead.
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Hicks58
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 12:24:01 pm »
That would be ideal if you actually got 3 volleys from AP rounds. All you get is 2 shots, and that Tiger is gonna be backing away like a mofo unless you've disabled it first.
If it's let itself be disabled in front of a pair of AP ATG's, then it kinda deserves to die tbh.
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LeoPhone
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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Reply #37 on:
March 23, 2011, 12:38:03 pm »
thats not the point. the point is axis don't have anything similar, forcing them to use heavy tanks.
but hvap makes panthers completely useless. resulting in tiger spam.
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Tymathee
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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Reply #38 on:
March 23, 2011, 12:40:14 pm »
lol right...a few people have HVAP so 80% of wm players uses Tigers? Bullcrap.
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Hicks58
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Re: Pershing HVAP rounds?
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March 23, 2011, 12:50:32 pm »
Quote from: LeoPhone on March 23, 2011, 12:38:03 pm
thats not the point. the point is axis don't have anything similar, forcing them to use heavy tanks.
but hvap makes panthers completely useless. resulting in tiger spam.
No, HVAP does not make Panthers useless. It makes engaging them in close quarters twice as suicidal unless the Pershing is at low health.
You use your speed and range against a Pershing - No matter how many rounds you bounce, it's a moot point if you never let him get a shot back off at you.
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