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chefarzt
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Posts: 1906
Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #80 on:
April 07, 2011, 08:24:40 pm »
Dude while ago raped nugx 50mill spam with vanilla rifles. And if u want to check it out im always up for a 1v1 to show u. U better read ur book twice or just burn it.
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Groundfire
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 07, 2011, 08:28:35 pm »
No, i know you can do it. As we all can do, I can produce the video of a bike killing a pershing, but we still all consider the pershing to be immune to small arms fire.
The point is that using vanilla rifles to take down a full health 50mm HT is incredibly impractical to the point that the PE player must be comatose at the keyboard to lose his 50mm to that kind of attack.
I call it, "immune to small arms," but you can call that whatever you want tbh.
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 07, 2011, 08:53:31 pm »
accord to RGD 50mm HT gets skdf 22x light armoured car armour.
And a M1 garand has a 40% chance to penetrate it from all ranges front and back, but gets a -25% damage reduction against it. So it isn't all that immune to small arms as a pershing is.
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chefarzt
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #83 on:
April 07, 2011, 09:00:56 pm »
Tbh me and draken produced the video of a bike killing a pershing. And that was lucky .
Killing a 50 mill with rifles isnt.
But wtf im doing here anyways. I just screwed my rule of staying away from pointless balance discussions.
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Rocksitter
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 07, 2011, 09:04:36 pm »
I tried to get a Tank for PE about a year or so ago but they said no go...
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Scotzmen
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #85 on:
April 07, 2011, 09:09:44 pm »
Quote
And a M1 garand has a 40% chance to penetrate it from all ranges front and back, but gets a -25% damage reduction against it. So it isn't all that immune to small arms as a pershing is.
stack pen on top of the accuracy from the weapon or the rifleman.
Then there is the damage of the garand, which gets a 25% decrease.
So a 50 mil at full health, wont be epicly raped by rifleman. Maybe in numbers they can do some damge in what, 2 to 3 mins?
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #86 on:
April 08, 2011, 03:36:06 am »
50mm's get horribly raped by mgs
and smgs hurt too
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Mysthalin
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #87 on:
April 08, 2011, 03:53:45 am »
Quote from: Groundfire on April 07, 2011, 08:28:35 pm
No, i know you can do it. As we all can do, I can produce the video of a bike killing a pershing, but we still all consider the pershing to be immune to small arms fire.
The point is that using vanilla rifles to take down a full health 50mm HT is incredibly impractical to the point that the PE player must be comatose at the keyboard to lose his 50mm to that kind of attack.
I call it, "immune to small arms," but you can call that whatever you want tbh.
Me and firesparks had done a test after an argument precisely like this one.
If a 50mm ATHT was engaged at close range by riflemen, and was not on a road - it would not leave the engagement alive. It is EXTREMELY fragile against rifles.
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Uglysori
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 08, 2011, 04:01:58 am »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on April 07, 2011, 08:53:31 pm
accord to RGD 50mm HT gets skdf 22x light armoured car armour.
And a M1 garand has a 40% chance to penetrate it from all ranges front and back, but gets a -25% damage reduction against it. So it isn't all that immune to small arms as a pershing is.
Ummm am I reading the stats wrong? Because as far as I can tell, the garand only gets at 25% accuracy reduction in accuracy vs 50mm HT armor. It does 100% damage with a 40% chance to pen frontally, 100% chance to pen from the rear and does 10 dmg per shot. Bars and Brens do around 50% dmg with roughly the same chance of frontal pen but again 100% from the rear, doing like 3 dmg per shot albeit a much higher rate of fire. Now even given that its not like 50mm are going to immediately explode when approached by two rifle squads. However if for some reason the 50mm gets stuck while backing away/poor pathing exposing rear armor and/or was already damaged from say a 57mm shot to the face then even those garand shots seem to dig quickly into engine damage from my game experience. I mean I guess the same thing would happen to a regular HT if its get hit by rear shots according to the RGDs but the 10% frontal pen is what I would characterize as being "nigh immune" to small arms fire. Not the current 40% pen small arms seem to do it when the 50mm is engaged from the front.
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LeoPhone
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #89 on:
April 08, 2011, 05:18:14 am »
half tracks and light vehicles don't have rear armor.
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #90 on:
April 08, 2011, 05:23:13 am »
Remember ugly Rear armour 1 means penetration is multiplied by that, not that rear penetration is that.
Example: Target Table Pen X Range Penetration = Front armour penetration chance
Target Table pen X Range Penetration X Rear Armour multipler = Rear armour pen chance
And I believe some light vehicles DO have front armour actualy.
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EliteGren
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #91 on:
April 08, 2011, 05:55:33 am »
Quote from: Groundfire on April 07, 2011, 08:28:35 pm
No, i know you can do it. As we all can do, I can produce the video of a bike killing a pershing, but we still all consider the pershing to be immune to small arms fire.
The point is that using vanilla rifles to take down a full health 50mm HT is incredibly impractical to the point that the PE player must be comatose at the keyboard to lose his 50mm to that kind of attack.
I call it, "immune to small arms," but you can call that whatever you want tbh.
This is incorrect. The 50mm has the same armour as the LATHT, and these get killed by riflefire
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PonySlaystation
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #92 on:
April 08, 2011, 05:56:31 am »
It would make sense to make them immune to small arms fire.
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NightRain
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #93 on:
April 08, 2011, 08:08:20 am »
Quote from: PonySlaystation on April 08, 2011, 05:56:31 am
It would make sense to make them immune to small arms fire.
+1
Especially taking into account LATHTs role as a minimal AT and more of a Anti Infantry role. "Oi look, Anti infantry platform with a short range and that dies to infantry, rofl"
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LeoPhone
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #94 on:
April 08, 2011, 08:23:42 am »
how is 45 range short range?
compare it to a sniper. It has 50 range but dies to 1 rifle instead of 20.
AB sniper has more armor again but 45 range. just like the LATHT
These vehicles are support weapons. treat them like that as well.
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PonySlaystation
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #95 on:
April 08, 2011, 11:02:47 am »
You are correct, they are not likely to die by small arms fire and it's not a big threat. But it's still a factor that they take some damage from small arms fire and then die faster by something heavier. Which is not really ok considering the 50mm is very expensive.
Mobility is nice but it can't really make up for AP rounds or Camouflage bonuses, even if you micro it well. One mg burst or button is enough to half-health the damn thing.
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LeoPhone
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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Reply #96 on:
April 08, 2011, 11:10:40 am »
support it with AI. and else, drive away. something an ATG can't do.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 08, 2011, 11:19:10 am »
Quote from: LeoPhone on April 08, 2011, 11:10:40 am
support it with AI. and else, drive away. something an ATG can't do.
But you don't need to support an ATG with AI or back up AT
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PonySlaystation
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 08, 2011, 11:19:59 am »
AT guns can move away and while doing so they don't get slaughtered by AT guns, button or armor piercing burst. And if the crew dies you can just recrew it, the 50mm can repair but that's not the same thing, plus repair is too expensive and AT guns have more firepower.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: Pe Panther 3 as medium AT tank
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April 08, 2011, 07:10:01 pm »
Quote from: PonySlaystation on April 08, 2011, 11:19:59 am
And if the crew dies you can just recrew it
That is not always a good thing, as its often late game you start to find your own atg's being turned against you. Can't do that with PE.
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