HVAP with Sherman Spam?

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[#Freek]

IDK the stats for upgunned shermans, but will vanilla shermans be decent tank killers (vs pIV's and below)?  I'm thinking that if so, spamming ~6 shermans with dual reps might be a viable tactic.

Also, what about stags?  If they're actually any good with HVAP, I might replace all my m8's with them...

[Demon767]

its a good tactic aslong as you have some indirect fire on hand throughout the battle.

[Hicks58]

Heres the penetration rates against anything worth noting HVAP improvement on:

This is at max range btw.

Panther - 40.66%
Stug - 71.99%
Tiger - 50.29%
Hetzer - 74.30%
JagdPanther - 42.79%

So, against Stugs and Hetzers you should do well. Tigers and Panthers are still gonna kick you around.

Another note, there isn't a 75mm Sherman gun that HVAP applies to, so it would appear it applies only to the 76mm upgun.

[panzerman]

Iglooman has 1 Pershing and upgun Sherman spam works well. Just need a couple of hmg's u can counter Inf effectively. But anything lower than a panther your not going to have a problem. And even vs panthers a well microed Sherman could win.

[smurfORnot]

so yesterday,I had panther 1v1 vs sherman,and panther barely made it alive,sherman was left with like 5% health,and panther with 10%,with next shoot either panther would kill sherman,or sherman panther...I mean,rly,I want T4 where I can go 1v1 with P4 against Pershing and expect to hurt him bad 

[Tymathee]

Lulz. totally different

Pershing > Panther

so p4 beating pershing is more amazing than a sherman barely beating a panther.

dont know how 5% health left on sherman is hurt him bad lol.

be interesting to know if he popped repairs during the fight as well, that would come in handy, also were both at full health when the fight started.

[smurfORnot]

Pershing aint that much more expensive than panther,and not long ago,if you wanted to fight pershings,you would bring panther... and I didnt say beat pershing with p4,that is stupid,but hurt him,yes,since right now,pershing will just laught at p4,lol.

It was when testing nug's map,after killing vet3  priest,non vet pershing came for panther,both were at full health,and he didnt pop repairs, I was amazed how panther was almost easliy defeated. If 2 of those came after lets say,panther and P4,they would win that fight vs almost double the resources.

[NightRain]

Shermans already defeat P4s easily. They just rofl at P4s pretty much. The upgun is way too good imo.

[Uglysori]

Technically panthers have a range and speed advantage over Pershings and Shermans so you shouldn't lose to either in a 1v1 situation.

[smurfORnot]

but it's dumb,even with T4(which I guess it had) that they can take head on panther and almost kill it,so either sherman is a bit OP with that,or panther is UP. And dont tell me,use panthers range and speed to avoid being hit,since panther shouldn't run from sherman,lol,it should be vice versa. If I pay for something 450 fuel,I expect it not to barely made alive if engaged with a single sherman.

[Mysthalin]

Somebody is lieing about something(or not saying something important) in that sherman vs Panther fight, and I'm going to let you guys figure out who that person is by yourselves .

[BigDick]

5% bug is no lie but yeah a sherman hardly beat a panther even with hvap

but he is right on that panthers get beaten easy by normal pershings and that they get completely assraped by hvap pershings
the better range is just theoretical in most games

and that the price difference between panther and pershing or even between main battle tanks (P4, sherman) does not reflect the usefulness of a heavy tank VS main battle tank even considering its a T3 unit unlock

[LeoPhone]

Somebody is lieing about something(or not saying something important) in that sherman vs Panther fight, and I'm going to let you guys figure out who that person is by yourselves .

actually the sherman almost did beat that panther. I was in that game and was just as surprised as smurf.

Was still just luck though. chance to penetrate is only 40%

[NightRain]

Was still just luck though. chance to penetrate is only 40%

Max Range leo, max range. Short range is whole different story

[Hicks58]

Yeah, at short range it goes up by 8% to 48%. Your right, that is a whole different story.

Well, specifically 48.5317% if you REALLY want to get nitty and gritty.

Btw, standard Pershing chance to penetrate a Panther is 65% at point blank range. 58.5% if you engage at max range. That's kinda moot though if you actually micro your Panther and stay out of the Pershing's range, as it's penetration chance becomes a grand total of 0% as it cant fire back.

You've got a full 7.5 range to play with, grab a spotter and make some use of it.

[spinn72]

all this Panther hate!
clearly you guys don't use lightning war

[Demon767]

Yeah, at short range it goes up by 8% to 48%. Your right, that is a whole different story.

Well, specifically 48.5317% if you REALLY want to get nitty and gritty.

Btw, standard Pershing chance to penetrate a Panther is 65% at point blank range. 58.5% if you engage at max range. That's kinda moot though if you actually micro your Panther and stay out of the Pershing's range, as it's penetration chance becomes a grand total of 0% as it cant fire back.

You've got a full 7.5 range to play with, grab a spotter and make some use of it.

Whats the penetration of the Panther from long range on the Pershing?

[Uglysori]

Should be roughly 50% at long range against Pershings.

[Demon767]

heh, so not only does pershing penetrate more, it has ATG AP round that kills panther in 4 hits ^_^

[BigDick]

all this Panther hate!
clearly you guys don't use lightning war

not that i really like tigers but i changed my panthers in my blitz company to tigers because panthers just suck vs pershings

i had 2 panthers 2 stugs first and blitzkrieg T3 unlock but replaced it with 2 tigers and 1 stug...

the blitzkrieg ability is not that great on panthers because they are fast enough most times and a whole blitzkrieg cycle give you 1 more shot (thats not a big difference imho)

but yeah never tried lightning war panther because my T4 is joint ops and i don't like half blind units for some minutes after calling them in

against shermans and especially churchills the panthers do pretty good