[US] Assault Enginners

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[CommanderHolt]

What are the advantages of using these guys over Regular Engineers w/ Flamethrowers?

Is it just for the one more member?

[Heartmann]

They have shotguns, dont really know how to put it in any other way, there effective range is real short, and they cant ahndle any type of dmg, so use HT to get them close is a pointer.

[brn4meplz]

They mince units at close range. The problem is getting into that range. If you can use them in areas where it's easy to manouvre close to enemies(Urabn areas, Hedges, Large walls) then they perform quite nicely

[RikiRude]

its way cheaper and easier to just use normal engs with flames. tbh, kind of a stupid unit for US to get. it should really be a whole new unit. only way you can use them is in HT as said.

[PonySlaystation]

they are too weak, it should be riflemen with shotguns but with increased price.

[Heartmann]

Tbh, it could  be rifle men with one man leader rifle!

[Hicks58]

Pretty sure you can out-DPS a KCH squad at close range - If you can get them there.

As people have said, half-tracks are essential to get them in range, as they are flimsy as standard engineers. Try using them in pairs in a single half-track to more or less insta-gib any infantry target of opportunity that isn't defended by AT. That does include flanking paks.

Also, I'm pretty sure they are hellish good at clearing buildings. Unless that got changed and I didn't notice, I havent used them for a good while.

[PonySlaystation]

Hicks,
The assault engineers have no advantage at all over flame engineers, in fact they are a pretty big disadvantage, more pop, cost more manpower and ammo (almost twice as much), can't build mines or defenses, they are a T2 and they're a lot less effective vs buildings and cover.

[Hicks58]

At which point was I comparing them to flame engineers?

I'm giving pointers to using them if you do choose to use them. I'm not telling anybody to actually choose them over anything else.

[PonySlaystation]

I was comparing them to a similar unit to show how ineffective and overpriced they are.

[Hicks58]

Pretty sure this is the strategy forum, not the balance forum.

He wants to know the advantages of using them, the DPS at close range IS rape. Oh, and their accuracy and damage against garrison cover is 0.75, while against heavy cover it's 0.5.

So yeah, they are pretty decent at kicking out units in buildings should you get them point blank.

[Demon767]

yer pony shush.

[PonySlaystation]

they are pretty decent at kicking out units in buildings should you get them point blank.

No, they are not, they nerfed that. They have no advantage over any other US unit, don't use them.

[Hicks58]

Funny, I just looked in the RGD's and pulled out those accuracy and damage figures which you so kindly overlooked.

Oh, and they will clear faster than Riflemen, Airborne, MG's, Rangers w/o Thompsons, Engineers w/flamers that are having a bad crit day... Yeah, want me to go on?

Two shotgun volleys from the full squad should more or less kick out an MG in a building at point blank, and as long as you can micro away from the current window... That isn't hard to pull off.

[Unkn0wn]

If you guys want to argue balance, make a thread about them on the balance forum, don't do it here. This is for strategy discussions.

[Hicks58]

Funny, that's what I've been trying to tell him.

[DarkSoldierX]

MP 44 DPS :

S 19.44
M 3.19
L 1.02

Shotgun DPS :
S 16.99
M 7.67
L Couldn't be assessed

from mysthalin himself

Anyways believe it or not shotguns do fine damage agaisnt the attacking enemy. These are like flamers that dont do as well in smoke but still rape some face.

I like how they can still build wire and sandbags to bolster your defences and hold the flanks.

But like said they are VERY fragile. I dont use them inside HT's but that does sound like a good idea.

[brn4meplz]

Those figures aren't entirely correct either though. When you break down both wepaons types to their base mechanics the Shotguns do their damage in a single shot. Whereas the MP44 doesn't. There are times when the initial damage burst will decide the engagement. Just pointing out mechanical differences

[Hicks58]

Aye, was gonna say that, the shotgun is all about the first and second salvo, the MP44 is all about  emptying an entire magazine.

If you use them in a HT and ambush your intended target, the alpha strike will leave them crippled assuming all four shotgun rounds get off and hit the target.

[3rdCondor]

I like assault engineers because they are good at what they do. It encourages allies to take advantage of the use of the regular m3 halftrack. You can create a pretty effective assault if you coordinate an ambush with assault engineers with a regular attack.