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Rosette Offline

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Hotchkiss Balance

« on: July 13, 2011, 04:36:20 am »

Hotchkiss is cheap, easy to get infantry, and tanks & mobility is best.

need to re-balance on hotchkiss, srsly.

increase pop or increase Pool may solution.

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Unkn0wn Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2011, 05:16:23 am »

Oops just noticed hotchkiss was only 6 pool instead of 9.

Aside from that, what hotchkiss is this about?


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doesnttalkmuch Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2011, 05:21:47 am »

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and the Hotchkiss is a light vehicle, which moves faster than a jeep Undecided

and it cannot be penetrated by (HMG team) armor piercing rounds because it's a light tank. Hotchkiss needs three shots to kill M10, M10 needs 3 shots to kill Hotchkiss... but Hotchkiss does not have "failshots-like M10", so if u have bad luck. Hotchkiss can easily kill M10 if allies player does not deal adjusted damage by using HVAP-Rounds of T4.

PLZ

Simply adjust pop back to 9 and we all are satisfied again.

Cheers
C

10 Minutes replay will show this...
http://www.gamefront.com/files/20544308/10+min+replay+of+fast+hotchkiss+hunting+slow+jeep+M10+does+not+hit+standing+motorcycle+with+3+shots+while+standing+right+before+it.zip

Yes I play US and Wher now...


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LeoPhone Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2011, 06:01:51 am »

just about everything you said in that post was wrong doesnttalkmuch.


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doesnttalkmuch Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2011, 06:03:06 am »

ok then it was only bad luck...
damn I got so much bad luck in my games Sad

...does my attached replay still work by the way?

Yes I play US and Wher now...


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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2011, 07:26:44 am »

lololol Hotchkiss is OP , i never thought id live to that moment


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doesnttalkmuch Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2011, 07:33:13 am »

greyhounds, M10 and shermans are easily penetrated by its upgunned version...

but is was most likely only bad luck with the dice ^^

Yes I play US and Wher now...


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AmPM

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2011, 07:36:27 am »

Quote from: doesnttalkmuch on July 13, 2011, 07:33:13 am

greyhounds, M10 and shermans are easily penetrated by its upgunned version...

but is was most likely only bad luck with the dice ^^

Yes I play US and Wher now...

The Hotch penetrates, but deals little real damage. M18 is as fast as a Hotch, and has longer range, sight, and a better gun.


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EliteGren Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2011, 07:38:18 am »

Maybe the PE guy had APCR.


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doesnttalkmuch Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2011, 07:40:36 am »

mmmh...

mkay

Did not notice any symbol on the hotchkiss in the attached replay... but maybe it was that way and you simply don't see the ability due to its passiv-ness


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Rosette Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2011, 07:44:49 am »

also need to adjust pop

less than P4 IST, more than AC


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Tymathee Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #11 on: July 13, 2011, 07:56:44 am »

if pop was 6, thts the reason. the upgun hotch is tough to deal with but not impossible.


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Mister Schmidt Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #12 on: July 13, 2011, 08:09:21 am »

APCR is passive.

And there is no reason for the Hotchkiss to have its pop increased, nor undergo any other nerf, if anything, it's underpowered.


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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #13 on: July 13, 2011, 08:09:36 am »

actually i did not wanted to reply to this failthread because to call the hotchkiss op is just ridicules

pop of upgunned is 8 you fail noobz and its good vs armor but completely fails against inf

non upgun is 6 pop and its significantly weaker than an m8 or staghound

this thread is actually really "für die rosette"


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DarkSoldierX Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2011, 08:29:12 am »

Didn't I make a thread to buff the hotch a long time ago?

Everyone said "no no its perfectly fine, nothing underpowered here"

Anyways Hotchupgrun does have very high pen, it also has low dmg and is non-pop efficient like all LVAT assets. You need multiple tetartches/hotchupgun to actualy take a big target down before his support comes.

But the big advantage those units have is speed. Gotta make use it.


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doesnttalkmuch Offline

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Re: Hotchkiss Balance

« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2011, 08:39:26 am »

Can u please post some pics of an upgunned and -on the other side- not upgunned Hotchkiss.

I have some problems to identify them in a few seconds.
I do not even know if the one in my replay was upgunned or not... but from seeing it penetrate my upgunned Sherman i'll bet on being "upgunned".

And yes I know I could simply do me a new PE company, which I most likely will do later on.

Yes I play US and Wehr now... and maybe PE, too