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[Smokaz]

Anyone played with our half mutilated, half implemented tank hunters?

I'm thinking of doing either double bottom T3s (I like the idea of zimmerit + jagdpanther), or the bottom T4. Other than marders becoming retarded good with either Top T4 or bottom T4 I dont see much that really entices me. I used to love playing with a hetzer and a teller mine ambush in R+ mode which probably means bottom T4 would be good for me.

Generally Im not that big of a fan of the hetzers though because of icky modifiers of the m18 vs hetzer.
Ideas, thoughts.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Hetzers with APCR will make it a decent ATG.
i used to use them with Assult grens but after the price increase i lost the intrest in it sence they cost the same as a TB witch has the same surviability in a house when with the bottom T2.

[Hicks58]

Those icky modifiers don't exist anymore Smokaz.

Penetration rate is 0.6, that's before range is even taken into account - A total of 0.75 at short range, so your looking at 0.45 penetration even if they drive up in your face.

Even if they have HVAP, your looking at 0.6 penetration from the front at the best more or less.

[CrazyWR]

get on xfire smokaz, and I shall help you.  But yes, its retarded how much TD sucks.  Bottom t4 is crap btw.  Only good part is muni hts becoming teller mine spammers + mg42 carriers.  But other than, it sucks. 

[Smokaz]

Why is everyone asking for me to get xfire? Ive downloaded eirr, omg, ventrilo. this was supposed to be a serious laptop. with law school documents and papers on it. i've even been to a porn site once already. its ruined

[smurfORnot]

But yes, its retarded how much TD sucks.

so why were they nerfed then?

[RikiRude]

Why is everyone asking for me to get xfire? Ive downloaded eirr, omg, ventrilo. this was supposed to be a serious laptop. with law school documents and papers on it. i've even been to a porn site once already. its ruined

hahaah! same here! i dont have a wireless card for my desk top, and this laptop was supposed to simply be for music, light entertainment when i travel, but since im too lazy to buy a wireless card, this is my main computer!

[CrazyWR]

so why were they nerfed then?

I have no idea, I'm gonna go with the fact that whoever is running balance these days is mediocre at best.  The TD doctrine has been shit since the day it came out.  Skaffa and I said it then, and many others have joined in since then...

[Smokaz]

get on xfire smokaz, and I shall help you.  But yes, its retarded how much TD sucks.  Bottom t4 is crap btw.  Only good part is muni hts becoming teller mine spammers + mg42 carriers.  But other than, it sucks.  

Yeah. This doctrine really pigeon holes you.

Miss old hotchkiss command tank!

Just make a non-shooting CCT, would love it. Or a dummy panther cct ffs, that would be extremely cool.

Where's gearbox, Where's Hunter-Jägers, i mean wheres the good shit?

I have no idea, I'm gonna go with the fact that whoever is running balance these days is mediocre at best.  The TD doctrine has been shit since the day it came out.  Skaffa and I said it then, and many others have joined in since then...

gotta agree, Im totally out of the dev loop these days. warmap super delayed, doctrines super delayed, i know they got other things to do but we want to play with warmpa + doctrines so baaad. really dissapointing  lately

[CrazyWR]

that was indeed epic.  But Anyways, since you're being retarded....

just go dual t3s(bottom and mid), get a berge, spam hetzers, get the rockets ofc, obviously tank intel is the important and super useful, especially on r+ starts and allows a pp sink for later on.

spam tellers and incendiary nades on pgs to cover flanks of hetzers/unprotected backcappers and clear support weapons

make sure you have 1 mht just in case your pr0 micro fails at flanking

and a triple schwimm callin for snipers...

try to fit in a ketten somewhere to get munis for berge.

Constantly repaired hetzers with +15 acc and elite front crits and -10% received penetration is pretty nice.  

Its also the only actually good option TH has right now.  I personally use a jagd because its my favorite unit in COH, but if you skip that you can get a berge instead and 2 hetzers...

[Smokaz]

im playing with jagd regardless, so i guess its double T3s for me

[CrazyWR]

Well it does go 400mph and kill everything, so I understand.  Skip the berge then, the t1s are all too useful, and you have to get the rockets to help clear repairing tanks, and dual t3s seriously buff hetzers...TH doc is really at its best right now only with hetzer spam, which is sad in itself.

[CrazyWR]

I would just give you my company, but can't do that anymore.

[smurfORnot]

you know that hetzers withouth APCR dont do shit to most stuff right?

I have no idea, I'm gonna go with the fact that whoever is running balance these days is mediocre at best

Well,you have Tym d.o.o. and company whining about how OP only usefull stuff is,so it gets nerfed,and you have shit left.

[Smokaz]

Hmm, wouldnt triple panthers with zimmerit and bottom t3 be better than a jagd?

[smurfORnot]

wasnt it said that zimmerit actually made jagd worse in some way?

[BigDick]

you know that hetzers withouth APCR dont do shit to most stuff right?

+1

hetzers are shit without apcr
and even with apcr they are shit being spamed (but thats actually not a bad thing)

i would say go APCR and use 2-3 hetzers and rest of fuel for marders and 1-2 mg scoutcars
other menpower put into g43 grens and maybe some grens with flame nades
and i wouldn't get a jagd because you are low on AT then (no marders etc) jagd is hit or miss and can be miss very quick

Well,you have Tym d.o.o. and company whining about how OP only usefull stuff is,so it gets nerfed,and you have shit left.

+2

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you can play a heavy vehicle combined arms Company like i had with bottom T4 but since the nerfs its a bad one

- bunch of inf hts with assault grens and maybe tankbuster
- bunch of mun HTs with mines
- some marders

and rest into whatever you want (i had no g43 grens and no tankbuster in that company only assault grens in HTs)

[LeoPhone]

wasnt it said that zimmerit actually made jagd worse in some way?

the T3 gives your tanks elite criticals. What this does is the following:

Replaces the 5% chance of top gunner killed at yellow health by a 25% chance of engine damage.

It does reduces crit chances vs sticky bombs and mines though.

[smurfORnot]

so it's shit...

[LeoPhone]

yes, we removed elite crits from the tiger for a reason. I don't understand anything of this doctrine.