KCH vs Grease guns

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[nugnugx]

Ok posting this is in strategy because i don't want to make a balance thread about it.......


 Had a fight   KCH  vs Rifleman with grease guns.   Both vet 0 no bonuses for my KCH ,  rifleman probably had bonuses from inf doctrine.
I was standing with kch and popped medkits , riflemen rushed me get in close and killed my kch and only 1 rifle died.

Why did that happen and how ? Are grease guns so powerful for 80 mu ?

[Katusha]

sounds unrealistic? need a video

[nugnugx]

sounds unrealistic? need a video

ok will make.... got the rep

[chefarzt]

The Grease Guns are srz bzness tbh

[DarkSoldierX]

Yeah sounds funny, the grease guns have same acc as mp40 on the move, and they are really just Mp40s with probably slightly more DPS but I would need to calculate.

Once you pots video I will look at RGDs some more.

[Hicks58]

Damage, accuracy, moving accuracy and range are all identical to the MP40, as well as target tables.

The only notable difference is that the MP40 has a higher rate of fire and burst, yet reloads more often; the Grease gun has a slower rate of fire and a lower burst, but reloads less often. Also, the Grease gun does 7 bursts compared to the MP40's 3 - But with the lower rate of fire and the shorter burst duration, I expect both weapons pour out a similar amount of rounds per mag.

Due to the rate of fire and burst, I think MP40's actually perform better than Grease guns. This is all assuming I haven't missed a modifier mind you.

[DarkSoldierX]

But hicks did you factor in the lower cooldown of grease guns, that is what makes me think they might do more DPS.

Will have to calculate sometime though.

[DarkSoldierX]

DPS calculated -


# m3_smg_upgraded.rgd
  | Zaxis S DPS = 14.19
  | Zaxis M DPS = 5.73
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.18

# mp40_smg.rgd
  | Zaxis S DPS = 15.13
  | Zaxis M DPS = 6.55
  | Zaxis L DPS = 1.19

lol M3 is actually worse lol.

This is assuming Leophones macro is correct.

[LeoPhone]

its correct, but are the target tables the same?

[Hicks58]

Damage, accuracy, moving accuracy and range are all identical to the MP40, as well as target tables.

[nugnugx]

videos coming in a few seconds



what is funny is that the standing in place KCH practicaly did no damage to a rifle squad. I think there might be some hidden modifier  vs kch or smth.

Also on 2nd vid i rushed a grease squad, and like did no damage at all.

[DarkSoldierX]

y u so slow at upload video.


stop torrenting porn.

[nugnugx]

Ok first vid, here are some of my notes

KCH is also under fire by 2nd grease in building and jeep but i watched it in very slow mo and they do no damage ,too far away, the only damage that is done by other unit is the sherman shell, and kch get pwned by grease rifles.

KCH totaly miss running towards them grease rifles and up close you can see they do little to no damage killing 1 rifle out of a already damaged squad ! :sic:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usTsLPGsVIo




2nd vid:

Rush on light cover grease squad leave whole kch dead with no damage to rifles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ScNbFbT0co

[deadbolt]

why doesnt shit like this happen for  me. i'd prob lose my grease guns to pio minesweeper, fuckin lotto coh ftl.

[nugnugx]

why doesnt shit like this happen for  me. i'd prob lose my grease guns to pio minesweeper, fuckin lotto coh ftl.

i kno right ?

[Hicks58]

By the looks of it in BOTH videos, the KCH fell victim to an age old problem in any FPS.

Caught on the reload.

First video, got caught on the reload, by the time they finished 1 and a half guys were brown bread from luckily accurate fire, and managed to kill one guy before retreating.

Second video, first burst while the KCH were advancing misses due to piss poor luck, reloads for the rest of the advance (While being melted as they close), once they finally get close, they have to stop and turn to their individual targets. While this is all happening, they are eating mags of Grease gun. Possibly wasn't helped if the commander was constantly issuing commands once they got point blank, if so, that could have made them take longer than they should have to target the Rifles.

[Mysthalin]

What Hicks said. Also, your KCH were half health in BOTH instances. Frankly put, half-health KCH should be assumed to be worth as much as half a KCH squad. Hence, cheaper than the grease-gun rifles. Hence, worthy of getting raped, especially if caught on the reload.

[nugnugx]

How many grease guns a rifle squad should have?   on 2nd video they have 6 grease guns.

if 6 ,  then why on t3 they can get +1 ?


or they have 5  and the +1 is to 6 ?

What Hicks said. Also, your KCH were half health in BOTH instancesWhat Hicks said. Also, your KCH were half health in BOTH instances

some more than half , like 3/4 ,   and on 1st video  rifles also did not had full hp

[Vermillion_Hawk]

You should always be keeping an SMG squad at a safe distance when using KCH anyways. Rushing in to close combat, where the number of SMG's and their rate of fire can easily outperform the MP44 is a suicide mission. Keep them at medium range next time.

[nugnugx]

Rushing in to close combat,

lol but i got rushed on 1st vid