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spinn72
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #20 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:01:31 am »
Quote from: WildZontar on August 12, 2011, 01:49:52 am
So can someone explain exactly why you dislike the Airborne being given M1 garands? How are Garands more AI than a supressive .30 cal exactly?
I think it's because you're implying that Garands would come in with no price associated. The . 30cal costs something, and can only be used when you bypass the buffs that AB armour gives.
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AmPM
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #21 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:03:59 am »
Who implied there would be no cost with them?
I've made the suggestion before, at 30-40mu, they would be a nice upgrade.
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WildZontar
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #22 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:05:35 am »
Quote from: spinn72 on August 12, 2011, 02:01:31 am
I think it's because you're implying that Garands would come in with no price associated. The . 30cal costs something, and can only be used when you bypass the buffs that AB armour gives.
But why on earth would you need to charge munitions for Garands? Are they really that game changing/battle changing to have to pay a muniprice for them? Couldn't they be a T3 bonus or something?
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spinn72
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #23 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:10:09 am »
T4 probs. Wait for AB doctrine
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smurfORnot
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #24 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:42:09 am »
Quote from: spinn72 on August 12, 2011, 02:01:31 am
I think it's because you're implying that Garands would come in with no price associated. The . 30cal costs something, and can only be used when you bypass the buffs that AB armour gives.
looking at doctrine choice,as Terror that lets you move and fire LMG
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BigDick
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #25 on:
August 12, 2011, 03:31:16 am »
Quote from: 8thRifleRegiment on August 11, 2011, 11:29:24 pm
Give Airboune the Option to buy x2 BARs (80Munitions) WITHOUT BAR SUPRESSION. The unlock will replace bottom tier 2 in the unlock.
we had exactly this and you know what? it was op...i self was running an bar spam airborne company with zero RRsquads..
420hp 6 men squad -25% recieved accuracy while moving, no deployment timer increase, several doctrine buffs AND fireup
it got exactly removed because everyone was spaming bar airbornes and most got to vet3 easy
Quote from: RikiRude on August 12, 2011, 12:23:05 am
second, i always heard the reason AB with BARs was OP was because the old AB riflemen had the option of stickies, BARs, nades, AND had Elite Armor (not elite crits) so they were 25% harder to hit on the move on top of having better armor. then they nerfed them to the extreme.
nope thats not possible since both are armor types and a unit can only have 1 armor type vs a specific weapon category and not 2 at once
it was op because what i wrote above...
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LeoPhone
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #26 on:
August 12, 2011, 05:19:09 am »
the first few posts in this thread already make no sense at all.
BAR dps is better than thompson dps at all ranges. 2x BAR > 2x Thompson.
please try again
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Tymathee
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #27 on:
August 12, 2011, 07:25:59 am »
what i dont understand is why the hubbub over garands over carbines. It's 1.4 dps to 1.8, ooooh, rape machine!
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LeoPhone
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #28 on:
August 12, 2011, 07:40:56 am »
Quote from: Tymathee on August 12, 2011, 07:25:59 am
what i dont understand is why the hubbub over garands over carbines. It's 1.4 dps to 1.8, ooooh, rape machine!
for the entire squad that about 13% of a BAR extra dps
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8thRifleRegiment
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #29 on:
August 12, 2011, 09:25:24 am »
Do AB rifleman cost more than regular rifles?
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #30 on:
August 12, 2011, 09:34:21 am »
200MP for Riflemen, 220MP for Airborne Riflemen.
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8thRifleRegiment
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #31 on:
August 12, 2011, 09:36:16 am »
hmmm kk, looking in the rgds, im not seeing a differant in the Ability list between Airbourne and AB rifleman, Infact im seeing an extra one on AB rifleman.
Does this mean the AB rifleman get fireup too?
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #32 on:
August 12, 2011, 10:42:40 am »
Has anyone here realized, Perhaps the prupose of airborne rifleman is so that the rifleman's AI makeups for the lack of Airborne AI?
Airborne dont need AI, they are supposed to be pure AT. They have one of the two most sexiest AT choices(other is stormie dual shreck)
Use your airborne riflemen to defend them, or simple do it the old fashioned way, lots of quads.
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Tymathee
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #33 on:
August 12, 2011, 10:48:01 am »
thats another reason i dont like the lmgs. give 'em to rangers. I should do a poll
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: Airboune LMG
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August 12, 2011, 10:52:53 am »
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Tymathee
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Re: Airboune LMG
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August 12, 2011, 11:06:46 am »
what do u mean? i still don't play
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WildZontar
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #36 on:
August 12, 2011, 12:16:42 pm »
Quote from: DarkSoldierX on August 12, 2011, 10:42:40 am
Has anyone here realized, Perhaps the prupose of airborne rifleman is so that the rifleman's AI makeups for the lack of Airborne AI?
Airborne dont need AI, they are supposed to be pure AT. They have one of the two most sexiest AT choices(other is stormie dual shreck)
Use your airborne riflemen to defend them, or simple do it the old fashioned way, lots of quads.
Yes, we've realized this, but have you not realized they were given a .30 cal, which, when two of them are paired together, are able to actually supress a target Why haven't you been complaining about this
I honestly still don't see why you guys are hating the idea of ATLEAST giving them Garands, I have to deal with dang Tigers and Knighs Cross with Oak leaves, I can't see why you guys can't deal with just a little extra damage against your infantry.
Also, when you look at it, almost every elite Infantry can either have AT roles or AI roles, so, why can't Airborne exactly?
Storms - Shreks/Mp44 + bundle nade
Commandoes - Stens/Piats
Rangers - Thompsons/Zook
Knights Cross automatically comes with MP44, but can buy the ability to ward off light vehiciles with Panzerfaust.
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DarkSoldierX
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Posts: 3015
Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #37 on:
August 12, 2011, 12:44:14 pm »
Quote from: WildZontar on August 12, 2011, 12:16:42 pm
Yes, we've realized this, but have you not realized they were given a .30 cal, which, when two of them are paired together, are able to actually supress a target Why haven't you been complaining about this
I honestly still don't see why you guys are hating the idea of ATLEAST giving them Garands, I have to deal with dang Tigers and Knighs Cross with Oak leaves, I can't see why you guys can't deal with just a little extra damage against your infantry.
Also, when you look at it, almost every elite Infantry can either have AT roles or AI roles, so, why can't Airborne exactly?
Storms - Shreks/Mp44 + bundle nade
Commandoes - Stens/Piats
Rangers - Thompsons/Zook
Knights Cross automatically comes with MP44, but can buy the ability to ward off light vehiciles with Panzerfaust.
Wrong. Airborne had nades and thats the equivalent of panzerfaust for KCH and fallchrimjaegers(which are more of improved defensive infantry instead of elite)
The whole idea of AI for them takes away from their design.
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AmPM
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #38 on:
August 12, 2011, 01:05:33 pm »
You mean like when they added support weapons to the CW and PE factions? Or how about offmaps in every doctrine? Or Luftwaffe getting Riflenades and G43s.
I mean really, claiming that adding something based on the vCoH design is just stupid at this point. At least make it from a balance point of view.
Adding 2 Thompsons or a couple of Shotguns would not be game breaking. Garands would be a fine upgrade. That or just make Carbines a decent god damned weapon....personally, I'm for making the M1 Carbine somewhere between a Garand and an SMG, with RoF somewhere in between.
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Tymathee
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Re: Airboune LMG
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Reply #39 on:
August 12, 2011, 02:40:43 pm »
i like that idea. Carbine was a heck of a weapon. I'd rather have 6 lugers than 6 carbines in coh
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