Origin and Why i won't be getting BF3, ME3 or any other EA game

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[Tymathee]

Have you read the EULAs? There are important differences between the proposed EULA from EA, and then current one for COH. The level of detail (especially post-change in the EA one) is also strikingly different. For instance, COH Eula does not force you to agree to being gathered marketing information from using your computer.

lmao sure they dont...they don't use any information they gather to make more money and sell other products that aren't coh related...

[AmPM]

Liberty does not equal able to do whatever you want without consequence.

If you want to buy something you agree to the sellers terms. You are at liberty to decide to buy it or not. They can't force you to spend money. So you choose to buy it, then you choose to agree to the EULA. Seems like you had the liberty to make your own choice.

That is freedom. You choose what to do. As you said, in your view of liberty all things should be rights. I should have the liberty to buy and use on what or whoever I want, any weapon of my choosing. Because they shouldn't take my right to liberty and property away right?

[chefarzt]

Write me a fuckn poem.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Roses are red
violets are blue
screw you guys
i´m going home

[chefarzt]

In terms of not rhyming this couldve been a Haiku.
But then again Haikus got some content.

[EIRRMod]

You have a right to privacy. You do not have a right to a computer, phone, etc. Those are privileges, you agree to the EULA when you get any of those.

So make a choice.

Glad I live in NZ.

EULAs or any kind of contract, can NOT alter, change, insert rules or laws that contridict your basic rights as a consumer.  Thus, most of these EULA changes or specifications are contractually illegal in NZ - and I could sue and win if they were here (we get modified EULAs, or no game at all)

So its not a matter of neccisity, its pure greed / collection of information for marketing sake.

[Masacree]

If you want to buy something you agree to the sellers terms. You are at liberty to decide to buy it or not. They can't force you to spend money. So you choose to buy it, then you choose to agree to the EULA. Seems like you had the liberty to make your own choice.

Luckily, this is not the way the world works anymore. You'd find your own humyn rights (read liberty) significantly diminished if we lived in that kind of libertarian dystopia. That is to say, from the standpoint of freedom, it is counterproductive to be able to consign yourself to anything.



Fight the good fight, comrade Smokaz.

[Tymathee]

Glad I live in NZ.

EULAs or any kind of contract, can NOT alter, change, insert rules or laws that contridict your basic rights as a consumer.  Thus, most of these EULA changes or specifications are contractually illegal in NZ - and I could sue and win if they were here (we get modified EULAs, or no game at all)

So its not a matter of neccisity, its pure greed / collection of information for marketing sake.

agreed and unfortuately the big companies rule the country in the US, not the actual politicians. If a law or whatever is passed that makes no sense, follow the $$$

[Smokaz]

Corporations get power through neglect on the individual scale.

[AmPM]

Corporations get power through neglect on the individual scale.

This is true of anything. Take away the ability of people to fight back and you can do anything you want short off killing them without a fight.

Which is why our constitution protects your right to carry arms and to defend yourself.

I'm still curious though why people think they have a right to a luxury good.

[Smokaz]

I think the expansive range of firearms you can own is overkill in the US, but I do not doubt that the vast majority of firearm-owning americans are responsible in their storage and use of these. To me the interesting part is what defining features a society has that neccessitates or encourages individuals to each own one or more personal weapons. At least one good thing can be said for it, and that is the fact that when everyone can get a gun,it should in theory help women resist male violence better and make the physical disparity between the sexes less of a deal. And I guess americans are well prepared for zombie apocalypse.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

AmPM, when one has paid for a luxury good, how can they NOT claim it is theirs? Also, I highly disagree with the theory that the right to bear arms is necessary to prevent individuals from gaining too much power.

[Smokaz]

AmPM, when one has paid for a luxury good, how can they NOT claim it is theirs? Also, I highly disagree with the theory that the right to bear arms is necessary to prevent individuals from gaining too much power.

Well its necessary when things have come to the point that armed revolution is the only way out! And we all know how exceptionally well civilians fare against authority when civil uprisings break out and lawkeepers and military personel is set against the common man. 

[Vermillion_Hawk]

This isn't 1984 (the book not the year) Smokaz, I hardly think that there is a danger of some autocracy seizing control of any modern day country currently.

[Smokaz]

This isn't 1984 (the book not the year) Smokaz, I hardly think that there is a danger of some autocracy seizing control of any modern day country currently.

Obviously not, (yet:P) but this is what AMPM postulates. It's also a function for self defence against the autocracy's supression, haha.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

You know, I've never really understood the American perception of the necessity of personal firearms. As long as I've lived in Canada I have never once been the victim of a violent crime, and I've only ever known one person who was, yet move across the border to America and you'll find violent crime levels are much higher than in Canada.

Really, the law enabling the use of personal firearms in America is a relic, from a time when the future of the country was unstable and nobody really knew what direction it might go in. It really seems unnecessary to me.

[RoyalHants]

Obviously not, (yet:P) but this is what AMPM postulates. It's also a function for self defence against the autocracy's supression, haha.

America Still paranoid it'll become the thirteen colonies again?

[DarkSoldierX]

lol thread derail to gunrights.

AK47 pl0x

But, on a more serious note, I think Russia is in a semi-false/fail democracy, but I can't give 100% proof on it, other than the fact that the police there will actually kick your ass for protesting. (or mouthing off to a cop, and here in America a cop lays a hand on a guy and the guy shouts ASSAULT! like he punched him or something...)

Seriously the americans who think they live in a oppressed government(which I think they are a lil crazy) need to see a few videos of russian police at work.

[BigDick]

even relic knew EA SUXS

[Unkn0wn]

Oh wow, it's cOLD in here.