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[MorkaandBorka]

Would you rather have Moving cloak or Fire up?

pak or atg?

[AmPM]

Hmmm....depends on the unit for Cloak/Fireup.

57mm all the way.

[TheVolskinator]

Moving cloak paks are pretty sexy in comparison to 57mms (IMO). Plus those + cloaking shreck(s) with doc unlocks is pretty kewl.

[skaffa]

Moving cloak

my vet 3 258 xp atg says 57mm

[AmPM]

Moving cloak paks are pretty sexy in comparison to 57mms (IMO). Plus those + cloaking shreck(s) with doc unlocks is pretty kewl.

Someone failed at reading.

[TheVolskinator]

PaKs. PaKs are better in my eyes.

[smurfORnot]

LMG or BAR?

[skaffa]

BAR

[FailHammer]

Fire up, more useful more often, cloak is usefull in certain instances.

i like paks mroe bc 57 is better but you can see where they are bc they always shoot at your mens

BAR all the way, lmgs need to be stationary

[DarkSoldierX]

Moving cloak. Why fire up out of a bad position when you can cloak into a perfect one?

57 and PaK I guess are even. Not sure which one id get. 57mm can have better dmg and AP rounds, but pak can cloak and has better native penetration.

[EIRRMod]

Would you rather have Moving cloak or Fire up?

One requires your skill to be up to par (Fire-up out of a bad situation, shouldnt happen, but it does - Fireup == escape)
The other requires your OPPONENTS skill to be sub-par (Lack of scouting units / recon / shielding)

[Scotzmen]

Moving Cloak.

Paks

LMG

[Spartan_Marine88]

moving cloak for me.


But when it comes to the at option, it depends, if im facing heavy armor give me a 57 with ap rounds. Other then that pak

[MorkaandBorka]

Hmmm...

I would take moving cloak, pak, and bar every time.

Moving cloak...all you need is to distract the enemy somewhere else, its also perfect if your very patient and much more useful and aggravating to your opponent tbh.

The pak is just beast mode, it doesnt even need ap rounds, shoot from cloak then move to another position as they come charging at it with infantry.

We all know and agree the bar is better no matter what.  Although moving double lmg grens aka terminators are pretty epic, and can take out a rifle squad before it can even pin them.

[CrazyWR]

moving cloak/57/bar

[RikiRude]

I would say moving cloak, because it can get you into and out of good positions. Though it IS much more micro intensive.

pak or atg? that's a tough one. I guess I'd go with my trusty 57 with AP rounds.

I love me some BARs, but grens with lmgs are just so rape, they are so effective at every range.

[Malgoroth]

The fact that the pak cloaks is what makes it the better choice imho. Being able to hide your AT assets is invaluable. The ability to move while cloaked only makes it that much better. It's something I don't think should ever have been given to defensive doctrine exclusively. All paks should be able to move while cloaked regardless of doctrine.

Of course.. I only say that because I'm an overt Wehrmacht fanboy.   

[Tymathee]

personally any unit that moves and cloaks is retarded. falls with moving cloak can be a complete terror, especially since they can get sprint. cloak, ambush, sprint away, it really sucks, same with normal falls.

paks casn be quite annoying as well with moving cloak, although its not as great on the pak40 or leig aas i thought it would be.

[Hicks58]

Moving cloak, because i'd rather make the perfect situation than have to bail out of the worst one.

57mm and Pak would depend on what I'm fighting... Lighter vehicles I'd want the Pak for it's ROF, heavier targets I'd want the 57mm for it's harder hits.

If SF wasn't a factor, I'd say LMG while on defence, and BAR while on offence, but if SF is on the table then purely BAR.

[Tymathee]

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