Pershing Penetration

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[PonySlaystation]

give HVAP pershing more splash!

[puddin]

Well I wanted to ask before i got mad because i know rolls of the dice can just be WTF sometimes and it appears it was one of those games. 

The Thing i Struggle with is that a Pershing Cost is very Similar if not identical to a Tiger, and the Tiger pennetrates everything right off the bat, it does not need a tier 4 in fact the only real big buff to it is the T3s because its such a good tank. 

Meanwhile a pershing has to choose T4s to find a roll for it and choose which it wants to go, and HVAP, still won;t help vs all vehicles or tanks, just the super heavies, which it should not be taking most times.

Just a very unique game, granted it wasn;t the best but overall i wondered abotu it because it was a very consitant problem. 

[LeoPhone]

yes, tiger does great vs m10s and hellcats

[Hicks58]

FYI Puddin, HVAP affects all vehicle based targets, not just super heavies.

Anything smaller than a Tiger becomes impossible to bounce, which means StuG's, Hetzer's, PIV's, are all easy targets with HVAP.

While you shouldn't be engaging them, you'll do good damage against Jagd's and KT's should push come to shove. Tiger's you'll outright destroy unless he penetrates every single hit.

Also Leo, a Tiger will do fine against M10's and Hellcats in capable hands.

[Tymathee]

what puddin is sayin, which is quite valid, is that a tiger will beat a pershing head on everytime but the pershing costs the same.

640-555 (tiger)
620-545 (pershing)
600-450 (panther, just for ref)

so very close but tiger easily wins those fights, then again pershing generally defeats panther easily, but look at the disparity.

Also tiger is a much better infantry killer, has higher health and better or maybe similar armor.

[smurfORnot]

what puddin is sayin, which is quite valid, is that a tiger will beat a pershing head on everytime but the pershing costs the same.

and? Tiger is slower than pershing,so you should take that into account.

[AmPM]

what puddin is sayin, which is quite valid, is that a tiger will beat a pershing head on everytime but the pershing costs the same.

640-555 (tiger)
620-545 (pershing)
600-450 (panther, just for ref)

so very close but tiger easily wins those fights, then again pershing generally defeats panther easily, but look at the disparity.

Also tiger is a much better infantry killer, has higher health and better or maybe similar armor.

Pershing also doesn't have to deal with superior ATGs and M10/M18 spam. Which is far and away better AT than a Schreck.

[Smokaz]

Tiger doesnt need to deal with marders.

[RikiRude]

tiger doesnt have to deal with cloaking sprinting storms with double schrecks.

yes pershing is faster than tiger, but that doesnt matter if youre getting chased by a panther, also panther outranges pershing doesnt it?. pershing should be a bit sheaper than a tiger imo, not 10fu and 20mp. maybe try 600mp-520fu for balance to make up for the tigers health.

also sacrafice must be made to deal with tigers, you aren't going to roll units up to it and leave unscathed. m10s, m18s, will be killed in an effort to kill a tiger.

the big difference is US can send suicide m10s/m18s for tiger, axis dont really have the same option, upgun pumas, but that's a joke.

[Smokaz]

I think its close to fair.

[Malgoroth]

I wish people would quit talking about storms as if they were supermen. A double shreck squad is 300 munitions NOT including the health pack. And if you want to do the truly alpha damage, you'll need 2 squads working in tandem. 600 munitions. It's not cheap and it's not spammable.

Unlike jeeps... which ARE cheap and spammable. I'll let you follow this line of thought to its conclusion on your own.

Pershings need no cost decrease. I never considered them as primary AT weapons. They're like the Tiger in my mind. They deter tanks and can defend themselves against armor, but their primary duty was LVs and AI. The Tiger is too slow to be primary AT, and the pershing has more heavy AT to fight against (It's speed helps it avoid those as much as it can). Use it as heavy AI. A heavy support tank. It's why I didn't go HVAP. It gimps the pershing at what it was truly good at and tries to cram it into a role at which it fits only awkwardly (though not weakly).

[nugnugx]

Tiger doesnt need to deal with marders.

Pershing doesn't have to deal with m10's.


Can you circle a marder with a persh?     Can you circle a m10 with a tiger?

aybe try 600mp-520fu for balance to make up for the tigers health.

Riki the difference is 60 hp. That's not even half of one shot.

[RikiRude]

Pershing doesn't have to deal with m10's.


Can you circle a marder with a persh?     Can you circle a m10 with a tiger?


Riki the difference is 60 hp. That's not even half of one shot.

60 in HP, but you have to take armor into consideration as well.

[Heartmann]

Lol has anyone played vs my panthers ?? Panthers do excellent AI dmg, and so do Tigers, Where as pershings imo are just not out there in the "hey gtfo units" theme which i feel all the other very nice excellent heavies do, you see tiger you gtfo, you see panther you gtfo, you see KT or jagd you GTFO! Even fireflies give a "gtfo" when it comes to tanks,  but pershings "meh" tbh, they need a little love

[smurfORnot]

if you see panther,you mean at guns and inf spam will GTFO? lol

[Smokaz]

Pershing doesn't have to deal with m10's.

Different class of units. The allied tank destroyers and the axis work differently. M10s are prone to doing its job within the range of almost every AT weapon there is.  Yeah, they outrange some targets but using this range is not as easy as using the range of a geschutz or a marder.