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[Spartan_Marine88]

What say you about a 4 man team (riflemen) with 1-2 bazookas as a non-doctrinal choice


This just came up in a discussion as every other faction has some form of non-doctrinal infantry based at

[Contaminator]

personally I like the idea but apparently ATGs and TDs are enough AT for allies *cough according to axis players*

[BigDick]

why you don't change your thread into "removing the pe pl0x"?

[DarkSoldierX]

Stickies are your AT.

All factions need strengths and weaknesses.

[Hicks58]

Covering their weaknesses would be implementing a better handheld AT than Zooks.

What this is suggesting is that the US actually get a squad that can support you without relying on uses or point blank range. That's something that every faction but the US enjoys.

Piats for Brits, Shrecks for PE/WM.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Stickies are your AT.

All factions need strengths and weaknesses.

stickies = fausts


try again

[DarkSoldierX]

Yeah, and PE don't have a standard ATG.

Americans don't need inf main wep AT.

And no, faust =/= stickies in effectiveness

Try again

[Hicks58]

PE does have a standard ATG, it just takes a different form. The option itself is still there.

[BigDick]

What this is suggesting is that the US actually get a squad that can support you without relying on uses or point blank range. That's something that every faction but the US enjoys.

and every other faction gets some kind of nondoctrinal remanable AT gun except PE and every other faction gets some kind of non doctrinal main battle tank except PE and every other faction gets some kind of non doctrinal remanable support weapons except PE

its already ridicules enough that armor can run around with 50 mun zook rifles

[Spartan_Marine88]

and every other faction gets some kind of nondoctrinal remanable AT gun

And that usually leaves plenty of remanable atg's for PE

[BigDick]

This just came up in a discussion as every other faction has some form of non-doctrinal infantry based at

and that usually leaves plenty of pickable handheld AT for US

GG

[Contaminator]

stickies are not AT they are for LV and Crit damage. Yea I don't see as many shreks or mg42s or any other squad weapon that Axis drop as much as Bars, brens, zooks, rrs, and piats.

every other faction gets some kind of non doctrinal main battle tank except PE and every other faction gets some kind of non doctrinal remanable support weapons except PE

its already ridicules enough that armor can run around with 50 mun zook rifles

Um brits don't have an MBT... Crom is NOT IN ANY WAY... cant pen anything cept light armour (upgunned hotchkiss will give a crom a run for its money) Firefly is waaayyyy to expensive to be an MBT... and stuart is paper thin (two marder shots) and does very little damage to other tanks.... and the reason PE doesn't have nondoctrine remanning of support weapons is because ALL OF THE SUPPORT IS ON WHEELS AND IS SUPER FAST!! (if you dont understand what that means is that leaving a bad situation is much easier for PE)

while we are on bs bitch fest... where is Ally non-doctrine heavy tanks? Every axis faction at least gets panthers. Where is ally non-doctrine arty? Every axis faction has some (nebes or Hotchkis Stukka).

Jeez... after this WC update you think at the price of 4 man squad with 1 zook is going to be able to be massed to actually cause a threat to the average axis player? No... all we want is the option for US to be as flexible in coy construction that doesnt require doctrine unlocks. Not that much to ask for.

[spinn72]

Just got beat at your own game by BigDick.. Ouch!

I'll keep it short: Those who think Americans need non-doctrinal AT are probably just the ones playing armour company.

In short: Give armour company back riflemen with zooks as a t3 for 50 mun, as much as I loved it in inf with TR, armour could use it more =p.

P.S. if you're discussing mirroring of factions, i'm sure every other faction would druel at the chance to have sticky bombs or RR's. Americans have the most unique way of dealing with enemy armour. Axis is so simple, it's just pew pew, I point my big piece of metal at you and you die nao!

[Hicks58]

Armour has the T2 unlock which allows for a single zook - But a single zook is unreliable, and you have to field a full Rifleman squad to use it.

4 Man squad, 2 zooks. The other two guys just have Garands and they have Rifleman statistics. Squishy, but you wouldn't want them putting rounds into your back while you try and take on their armour.

[LeoPhone]

zooks would only be useful to either:
protect atgs from flanking
rape PE

stickies already protect atgs from flanking too and we don't need to remove one faction from the game.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

YES, REMOVE BRITS!!!

[TheArea]

Of all the US docs, armor seems to be in the best shape at the moment.  Calli plus pershing is pretty nasty.  Its not a question of buffing that doc more, but of making Inf doc (*cough* rangers) and AB just as strong.

[aeroblade56]

1 unlockable zook isnt comparable to 1 schrek.     u can not compare faust to stickie the range is so easy to kite its all i do i see a rifle i just kite faust its a little harder cause u cant always know when it has a faust and if they do its got a long range its much harder to kite. and now stickies apparently bounce.

[CrazyWR]

why you don't change your thread into "removing the pe pl0x"?

+1000000

[RikiRude]

as mostly a us player i have to say, "no"

not needed, AB has RRs for a T1 unlock, armor has a T2 that gives zook, and infantry has rangers with zooks at T1, and rifles with zook at T3.

its simply not needed, stickies are awesome, and cost the same as a zook would, it's not too hard to get some rifles up to vet 2 simply for sticky use.

honestly, a 2x zook four man rifle squad? that sounds like a waste of munitions to me, you're looking at what 140mp 80mu 4 pop squad that's only useful for taking out LVs, because guess what a P4 will take it down in no more than 5 shots, heck most of the time you'd probably have 2 guys gibbed right off the bat!

it just seems totally illogical to me tbh. and anything more powerful than just rifles with zooks would be stepping on the toes of other doctrine abilities, or would make using rangers for AT pointless.

If anything for armor, take out the zook ability and give rifles the ability to but a slow mine and a regular mine for 25mu.