2 Blitzing P4 charge can take on a persh.
And I pity the fool who left his pershing without support with a blitzkrieg player on the field? Not so much for the blitz but the "LOLSTORMS"...
Persh move to flank Pak38. Your not REALLY going to waist 12 pop retreating your p4 and loosing your expensive AT would you?
Again, I pity the unsupported pershings in the company of this commander... Just becasue it beats a P4 does not mean it's a good idea to charge it when it has ATG support. I personally wouldnt charge AT gun + 75mm sherman with a single unsupported panther if we make an axis comparison, to risky unless game critical.
Tiger gets surrounded by your team. You move back your sherman and your teamates will putup a ragefit.
Tiger does not have support here either... noticing a trend here, either way the shermans role is now to tank shells, not to deal damage as far as I understand your example.
And if there are no tank hard counters nearby, personally I would retreat the damn sherman if there is no actual hard AT nearby to tank for.
Tiger is responding to your halftrack sticky flank. If he engages your sherman the halftrack is pretty much guaranteed to reach his target unless the enemy goes overload on AT.
Again thou, this is not about the shermans ability to damage or engage armor as much as it is tanking shells, other units could do this to.
You lolcharge a tiger with 2 75mm shermans not knowing how mediocre they are at penetrating tiger ass. Perhaps you should have gotten a upgun.
Fuck, I feel sorry for the tanks under that commander... hell, even if they were upgunned would they actually win?
Many many more reasons.
In a true team game your medium tanks WILL engage their supposed counters.
Units do not exist in a single vacume.
Well, any unit will engage a counter if it could provide valuable time or distraction, but to me that is unrelated to the ability of the unit itself... Hell, I took out a P4 at 20% health with a pair of T17's the other day, it's not a good idea but sometimes you get lucky and that stuff.
But all this conversation really says is... Medium tanks are kind of crappy and Tank Destroyers and Heavy Tanks are the best options...
I think that sort of sucks to be honest, becasue when I started the game I always had a few shermans or PzKpfw IV's in my companies...
These days it's just tank destroyers/LV's for allies and heavy tanks/assault guns for axis... not even the Armor T4 or Blitz Dual T3's make the medium tanks feel worth it...
Really thou, my opinion is based on my playstyle (Balanced But Specialized Coy's). Meaning if I have it in my coy its one of two things, There to (A) Hardcounter or (B) cannonfodder. I liked shermans as AI tanks but LV's fill that role much better, I liked PZ4's as AI/LV counters but here instead axis elite infartry does much better, given you play one of the many doc's that have them*. Even then, allied infartry cant really scratch heavy tanks so they can take care of them if push comes to shove.
Just my opinion thou.