Vermillion_Hawk
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« on: February 12, 2012, 08:43:04 pm » |
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Has it been at least remedially fixed from its horribly nerfed and useless state yet? I never really saw what was wrong with Bren Button on Tommy squads, any vehicle could easily kite around the Bren squad in question and retain combat effectiveness. I can see that Bren MMG Carriers with the same ability could be an issue, but was it really necessary to nerf Button across the board? Just wondering.
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2012, 08:47:01 pm » |
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Kiting a singular bren squad at 30m - easy and smart.
Kiting a singular bren squad supported by a singular 6 pdr - Stupid as shit.
Lolyourtankcannotmoveseeorshoot bren button was just flat out broken. Tiny little 30-range disabling units that are also great at anti-infantry is just not good for balance, at all - if anything, the change was long overdue and anyone that opposed it should be taken behind the chemical shed (all the fun stuff happens behind the chemical shed).
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2012, 08:52:22 pm » |
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Well thanks for your utterly irrelevant, retired advice. Anybody else?
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RikiRude
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2012, 08:54:15 pm » |
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I have to say I was pretty upset about the change myself, and I didn't see what was wrong with it, but after having used the new one, it all makes sense, you don't use button unless a vehicle is trying to circle your atg once it gets in that range the vehicle will take at least a hit or two before it either kills the bren squad or escapes. I just think at 80mu its a good price.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2012, 09:00:48 pm » |
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I suppose that's legitimate, but I still think it should be slightly more effective that what it is currently, or at least give you the option of buying discounted Brens that cannot Button.
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2012, 09:05:05 pm » |
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It was kind of overpowered before, now its useless. There is no longer any reason why the bren should have the same cost as a bar as they are no where near the same effectiveness.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2012, 09:26:18 pm » |
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UH-oh vermillion plays again.. i must find his smurf. But anyways button is... kinda in the middle of an ability, easily avoided but still hurts if you get stuck buttoned infront of an atg.
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2012, 09:29:00 pm » |
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Smurfing is for the cowardly and is an activity I'd rather avoid. I was asking this simply to determine whether it was worth firing up my RCA company again. I suppose the answer is yes and no.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2012, 09:33:30 pm » |
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It was kind of overpowered before, now its useless. There is no longer any reason why the bren should have the same cost as a bar as they are no where near the same effectiveness.
BARs are 90mu now though and brens are 80mu. but i agree ill take a 60mu or 70mu bren with out button any day of the week. because i rather spend the button on mines! |
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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2012, 09:46:49 pm » |
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I dont even use button when the tanks get close now, the reduction in speed is negligible
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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2012, 09:59:33 pm » |
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BARs are 80 munitions, RikiRude.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2012, 10:02:05 pm » |
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wait were they 90mu a few weeks ago? i havent been able to play because of the shitty internet at my new place. i could of sworn they were 90mu for a little bit.
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« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2012, 10:03:11 pm » |
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What Button does to vehicles in regards to speed needs looking at. At the moment it's pants, you have to be at a range of around 15 to slow it down enough for it either not to squish you or to simply back out. Any closer than 15, the tank squishes you. Any further, it backs out. LV's will back out unless your flat out in their face.
However... People seem fast to overlook the fact that it shaves off an entire 75% of the targets accuracy. A buttoned target trying to back out of the button radius will have 25% normal accuracy, and then it's movement penalty on top. In short, it wont be hitting shit. Time it right and even if you only get a couple of seconds worth of button, you can fuck up the targets first shot. Quite significant if the target happens to be something like a Tiger and is pointing at something squishy.
Tbh, button just needs to reduce the targets speed a little bit faster than it does currently. Not fast enough to be an insta-fuck-you button, but fast enough to screw any tank that tries to get any closer than 25 range (Considering tanks have 40 range, a 15 range leeway seems more than reasonable).
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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2012, 11:30:28 pm » |
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Who ever claims that Brens are shit anti infantry weapons are retarded. It is flatout one of the best LMGs in game and comes in pairs. If it was just a single bren then I'd reconsider the price but it comes in pairs. Paired with a Ltd your brensquads becomes very nasty.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2012, 11:52:38 pm » |
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Maybe vs volks
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« Reply #15 on: February 13, 2012, 12:02:53 am » |
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Maybe vs volks
Vs everything even KCH. When you hop to a building the KCH goes D:< the brens in buildings will hold them back until reinforcements come. |
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« Reply #16 on: February 13, 2012, 12:49:41 am » |
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Vs everything even KCH. When you hop to a building the KCH goes D:< the brens in buildings will hold them back until reinforcements come.
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« Reply #17 on: February 13, 2012, 01:27:12 am » |
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brens dont do garbage against kch maybe when u have 4 brens they will. and yes in buildings they are good. but against grens :L take lmg44 with defensive officer.
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2012, 02:40:15 am » |
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brens dont do garbage against kch maybe when u have 4 brens they will. and yes in buildings they are good. but against grens :L take lmg44 with defensive officer.
Going up against LMGs with 25% more accuracy and 20% more damage isn't exactly the greatest idea unless you hold the superior number versus them. (if Arty experts. 35% more accuracy and 30% more damage] And yes Smokaz, I use Brens vs KCH, if they lol charge you go in a building. You get the odds of KCH dying against it as MP44s aren't exactly the greatest versus G cover. Buildings, I love them. Even better. Trenches. |
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2012, 09:10:58 am » |
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Going up against LMGs with 25% more accuracy and 20% more damage isn't exactly the greatest idea unless you hold the superior number versus them. (if Arty experts. 35% more accuracy and 30% more damage]
And yes Smokaz, I use Brens vs KCH, if they lol charge you go in a building. You get the odds of KCH dying against it as MP44s aren't exactly the greatest versus G cover.
Buildings, I love them.
Even better. Trenches.
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