let HVAP pershing switch between normal and HVAP Shells

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[SpaceHamster]

As Title says, the HVAP pershing is a big let down as it has the permenant hvap shells thus giving it a permenant splash radius decrease

why not let it be like USK? let it have a switch between the HE and the normal shells? I mean it was done for tiger ace can be done for HVAP pershing right?

(not saying give both splash and hvap to one shell, but give choices to use either normal or HVAP ammo)

[smurfORnot]

Tiger ace is reward unit,pershing is not.
Does normal tiger have rounds to switch? No he doesnt.

[NightRain]

I like this idea.

HVAP on 45 Range when using AP and low splash and acc vs infantry
HVAP off 40 range normal splash.

Did you mean it like this?  ^

[Rainbows]

I think he just means toggle between normal and current HVAP, so you have more splash or more penetration/damage. 45 range HVAP would be entirely ridiculous... although, I'd be the last person on Earth to complain if it were implemented.

[Zamochit]

Tiger ace is reward unit,pershing is not.
Does normal tiger have rounds to switch? No he doesnt.

no because tiger gun has biggest anti infantry splash and can take on any allied tank 1v1.

and i like the idea. its no fun having a t4 that takes away a strength of the unit, does any other t4 do this?

[smurfORnot]

no because tiger gun has biggest anti infantry splash and can take on any allied tank 1v1.

u sure?

HVAP pershing kills tiger no problem
m18 kills tiger no problem
dunno about firefly sight with upgrade,but if it has it above 40,it can also kill tiger.
dunno about upgraded tertach,but considering his speed,I am fairly sure that he can circle tiger all day,and pound his ass.

[Rainbows]

I doubt an M18 or Tetrach could kill the Tiger by themselves - there are a bunch of ways to get out of being circled, so the only way that would work is if the Tiger player were completely retarded and just sat there.

[Hicks58]

This would definitely give me a reason to look at Pershings again tbh.

As long as there is a respectable wait between loading each shell type, I could roll with this. Standard reload cycle + 2-4 seconds should do it.

[smurfORnot]

I doubt an M18 or Tetrach could kill the Tiger by themselves

m18 has sight and range 45,tiger has range 40,and sight I think. So yeah,m18 can kill tiger withouth a problem. There was that replay not so long ago,where smokaz I think raped eind's and someone else tiger's just with his m18's,tiger simply cant touch it.

[Rainbows]

Oh, right, I forgot about the M18's sight range.

[Hicks58]

In open terrain an M18 will pick a Tiger apart piece by piece. Get an environment with a few shot blockers, preferably hedges that your Tiger can crush and flank the M18 on a moments notice.

Also, the M18's long range penetration against a Tiger is less than impressive. You'll have more than enough time to pull back to get AT support and bugger him off. Same goes for a Tetratch and it's low DPS.

[smurfORnot]

You'll have more than enough time to pull back to get AT support and bugger him off. Same goes for a Tetratch and it's low DPS.

no because tiger gun has biggest anti infantry splash and can take on any allied tank 1v1.

So why exactly are you mention this? He told that tiger can solo 1v1 any allied tank,I gave him proof that he cant,problem?

Get an environment with a few shot blockers, preferably hedges that your Tiger can crush and flank the M18 on a moments notice.

yea,because m18 user is stupid and he doesnt know that tiger can crush hedge and flank it...right 

why dont we put them in a pit 5x5m 

[Hicks58]

Theoretically speaking if you can get the right conditions the Tiger will put down any Allied tank. You can do this by MAKING the conditions. If he wants to chase after you with his M18 or Tet you lure him into an urban environment where range means shit. If the map has no urban or shot blocking environments then the map is simply shit.

Also, I said PREFERABLY an area with hedges. If you lure the M18 into that environment, he'll have to navigate it properly. You wont. You can back through a hedge, turn around it and boom, he cant shoot you. He'll then have to go all the way around or go through the gap at point blank range where he eats a shell. If he goes around you can move to an appropriate position to put yourself in range to hit him as the two units gain LOS of each other. In these conditions, the only option the M18 will have is to disengage or risk getting pasted by a Tiger commander with his head screwed on.

[AmPM]

Theoretically speaking if you can get the right conditions the Tiger will put down any Allied tank. You can do this by MAKING the conditions. If he wants to chase after you with his M18 or Tet you lure him into an urban environment where range means shit. If the map has no urban or shot blocking environments then the map is simply shit.

Also, I said PREFERABLY an area with hedges. If you lure the M18 into that environment, he'll have to navigate it properly. You wont. You can back through a hedge, turn around it and boom, he cant shoot you. He'll then have to go all the way around or go through the gap at point blank range where he eats a shell. If he goes around you can move to an appropriate position to put yourself in range to hit him as the two units gain LOS of each other. In these conditions, the only option the M18 will have is to disengage or risk getting pasted by a Tiger commander with his head screwed on.

If you make the Tiger run away with your M18 it is already doing more than it's share helping you win, thats 16pop running from 10 and the Tiger costs a lot more. No need to chase, just force it back and crawl forward, rinse, repeat.

[smurfORnot]

why would he chase you?
I shoot you,you run away...I can clearly see who wins here. No need for me to pursue fleeing enemy,I have won.

So KCH also loose 1v1 against most allies infantry. You just hop inside building with your squad,and he doesnt do much with mp44 against building.

[Hicks58]

He's speaking one on one combat effectiveness Am. We all know that your supporting piece of AT that you WILL have if you have a Tiger will make sure the M18 knows it's place (Assuming competent Axis commander) so that 10 pop M18 wont be doing it's worth.

Besides, the only reason I've explained to Smurf why a Tiger is capable of handling even the mobile or ranged threats is to humour him. The reality is that one on one tank engagements only happen in EiRR when somebody has made a grievous mistake and the tank is screwed anyway.

[Ahnungsloser]

why dont we put them in a pit 5x5m 

Because there might be not enough spare for both of them.  

[8thRifleRegiment]

Its not a pershing ace, yea its a trade off for splash but the extra damage vs everything with wheels is well worth it

[Hicks58]

Your right, it's not a Pershing Ace. Which is why it's range would remain unchanged, so would it's speed, so would it's health, so on.

[Rainbows]

The problem is, 8th, that no other T4 is a trade off. There are INSANE buffs to every single other armoured vehicle in armour doctrine, but the Pershing gets a trade off, and the buff isn't even as big as HVAP for other tanks.