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UndeathWrath
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Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 03:58:44 pm »
Just why
Doctrinal unlock
Geshutz
185dmg
7.5s reload
Vanilla
Marder
150dmg
4s reload
Both have similar health, armor, and pricing
Did someone make a typo in the rgds? haha
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 04:05:52 pm »
Because it can buy rapid fire
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UndeathWrath
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 04:14:52 pm »
Right so you have to buy an upgrade for a doctrinal unlock mobile AT gun to make it on par with a vanilla faction marder III for like 10s before it becomes terrible again.
Not to mention the marder III has lockdown.
I haven't seen anyone use geshutzwagons since 2 years ago. I started playin again like november.
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 04:15:42 pm »
Not really, but if that's the way you view it then fine
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 05:01:55 pm »
So there IS somone out there that agrees with me!
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aeroblade56
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 05:39:41 pm »
I thought the G wagon had really good modifiers vs everything pretty much and at 185 damage looks pretty solid. IMO they are alot more annoying then marders the ability to keep out of range or take 1 shot and get out of range is pretty nifty.
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Poppi
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 08, 2012, 06:58:44 pm »
Quote from: UndeathWrath on April 08, 2012, 04:14:52 pm
Right so you have to buy an upgrade for a doctrinal unlock mobile AT gun to make it on par with a vanilla faction marder III for like 10s before it becomes terrible again.
Not to mention the marder III has lockdown.
I haven't seen anyone use geshutzwagons since 2 years ago. I started playin again like november.
ive seen it about a few months ago. Gork spammed it and it trololol over ATGs, Rangers, m10s, AB, m18s, etc.
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Smokaz
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 12:41:25 am »
You have to consider the hole it fills as well, its pretty powerful for wehr to be able to shift all their fuel into a long range fuel based AT unit like this, leaving a lot of munitions open for even more AT or more normally, stuff like 8 4 men kch.
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Spartan_Marine88
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 12:51:37 am »
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GORKHALI
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 01:33:09 am »
let me tell you its a shitty wagan it has king tiger gun but not the kingtiger penetration most of the ally armor bounces its shots except hellcats and m10 and espically firefly bounces like 2 out of 3 shots and it misses its taget so much it cannot even hit once to atguns where atguns kills it in 2 to 3 shots where ally atguns can shoot faster that i stopped using it, even rapid fire r not enough to get that at unit in the company and terror tiger itself sucx ,the only thing better in terror is panthers and kch and oak leafs.
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aeroblade56
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 01:37:47 am »
Quote from: GORKHALI on April 09, 2012, 01:33:09 am
let me tell you its a shitty wagan it has king tiger gun most of the ally armor bounces its shots except hellcats and m10
That is allied armor lol.
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GORKHALI
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 02:18:16 am »
Quote from: aeroblade56 on April 09, 2012, 01:37:47 am
That is allied armor lol.
what i mean is Gwagaon shell bounces more often then it should, too much balance nerfing making Terror doctorine shy to play.
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aeroblade56
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 03:26:45 am »
Wait. Nerfing? you mean besides the 12% DPS that mp44s dish out on all units. yes, nurf the G wagon i thought had a great modifier VS the Churchills and Pershing. But i mean what armor do you really worry about fromm alies? TD are the main Tanks from allies and Cromwell which is comparable armor to that of a zonars mom
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smurfORnot
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 03:56:58 am »
after having shermans and fireflys bounce more shots that it actually penetrated,I just stopped to use them. Then you take into account that when you want to retreat him,he has tendency to act stupid and start to turn around and stuff like that
Pop rapid fire,fire more often,but also miss more often,so yeah. Or enemy can back away few second,after your first rapid fire shot,then come back in and finish you off when you have your shitty reload time.
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aeroblade56
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 04:07:32 am »
I always found them a nuisance when playing against they seemed to not miss when against anything i threw at it.
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Zerclow
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 04:44:11 am »
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NightRain
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 04:56:13 am »
To clear few of assumptions from the thread.
Gwagon Cannon does 185 damage per shot, therefore it is justified to have 7.5 reload which is similar to a panther's reload.
Rapid Fire does not decrease its accuracy at any case. It will however decrease reload time.
It only has 0.35 deflection multiplier so don't wonder why its pounces do no damage (Most other Dedicated AT units have 0.5)
Penetration tablet:
Distant 0.805
Long 0.805
Medium 0.909
Short 1
Its penetration multipliers:
vs Sherman Armor 60% No Damage Multipliers
vs Churchill 58% No Damage multipliers
vs Cromwell Armor 123% No damage multipliers
vs Pershing Armor 32% No Damage Multipliers
vs M10 Armor 153% No Damage multipliers
It has 60 range. That is same range as 57mm, 6pndr, Marder, pak38, pak40, 17lbr, 50mm ATHT etc.
It also comes with a StuG MG.
Accuracy
Distant 0.75 Long 0.75 Medium 0.9 Short 1
This sums up one thing:
You just had shit Dice rolls.
Also having Gwagons cover up your King Tiger is the best thing you want vs M10/M18 rushes. Even vs Firefly as you can shoot back at it with proper line of sight.
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Hicks58
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 05:28:30 am »
They are the gambler's long ranged AT tbh.
If it penetrates, it does a shit ton of damage, if it doesn't then you best know how to deal with awkward pathing.
Oh, and it's worth noting that even though it has a 0.35 deflection multiplier, it still does a fair 64.75 damage upon bouncing, which is crap loads more than most other tank guns out there.
It's also an extremely handy piece of kit to have against M10/M18 spammers due to the fact that it can 3-shot them.
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smurfORnot
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 06:05:56 am »
well Night,repair+mg+rapidfire rounds,thats a lot of munition on such fragile and not pathing reliable platform,better to spare fuel and just add pak behind your KT. Speed of pak wont be problem,because KT is slow fat ass,so either way,pak does equally good job at sitting begind KT ass as does gwagon.
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NightRain
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Re: Why is the reload of Geshutzwagon 7.5sec? LOL
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April 09, 2012, 07:05:58 am »
Quote from: smurfORnot on April 09, 2012, 06:05:56 am
well Night,repair+mg+rapidfire rounds,thats a lot of munition on such fragile and not pathing reliable platform,better to spare fuel and just add pak behind your KT. Speed of pak wont be problem,because KT is slow fat ass,so either way,pak does equally good job at sitting begind KT ass as does gwagon.
That there is not a argument on why Gwagon is shit. It is personal playstyle. You spend as much munitions on a pak than you'd invest on a Gwagon. I'd personally carry a Gwagon behind my KT due to its harder hitting ability and its mobility.
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