Stormtroopers overnerfed?

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[Poppi]

cloak, grenade, knock out hmg, shrek ATG. Cloak.

Ive had too many games where they cause toooo much damage. And honestly i dont like their super cloaking ability to be in the game.
Shreks to the rear can fuck up any tank.

I had someone spam them and knock out a 100% healthy jumbo from the rear in 1/2 a sec.

Im sure Shermans are more afraid of stormies than stormies are afraid of Shermans. Dont fire from its front and expect results.

Used correctly and they can ruin an allies strategy and destroy their equipment and strike fear.

[AmPM]

oh yeah how did my vet 3 storms died to sherman shots and i lost 1 vet 3 storm to 1 pershing shot so it depends and if u have 2 dual shreks and fire the pershing at the front armor it even deflects some of them and rapes the storms unless u have blitz ablity which costs pp as well.
while cloak its so slow that it gets ages to catch up with the battle coz enemy keep on moving and there is big chance that it get detected and once u get pinned u got no option but to reatreat so wate of ammunition don't u think.

To give this some reference, it's about a game yesterday where he lost 3 double schrek stormies and 2 Tigers within 10 minutes to Crazy and myself. I hear that if you shoot at tanks that are in cover at long range schreks aren't all that accurate =)

It was a pretty lol game, as soon as he ran through his stormies and Tigers he was throwing vanilla volks blobs at HMGs...

Anyway, Stormies are fine, IF you play smart.

[Ahnungsloser]

IcelandicManiac has some awesome Sturmtruppen skills.

[UndeathWrath]

Still doesn't explain why they have to cost so much more when commandos get piats on way better platform than sappers for 10muni more.

Ohh cuz they can cloak and I don't know how to park a jeep by my armor. Commandos have just as good abilities if not better (sprint, (double sprint with officer), smoke and instant stealth to run away.)

None of you have answered to this simple rationalization. I mean 20muni more per shreck would be reasonable, but 40?

[Poppi]

well they can probably kill the jeep the same second it spots them. behind building tactic doesnt always work when there are no buildings. or they can avoid the jeep b/c they can spot it b/f it uncloaks them.

and by that logic why does a sniper cost so much. it shoots like 1 time ever 4 seconds and regular rifles can kill it. bah its useless. 

a cloaked assault unit is fucking nuts.
 

but now i feel im the dumb one for responding.

[smurfORnot]

sniper costs so much,because he can kill other sniper who also costs so much with a single shot 

[DarkSoldierX]

Still doesn't explain why they have to cost so much more when commandos get piats on way better platform than sappers for 10muni more.

Ohh cuz they can cloak and I don't know how to park a jeep by my armor. Commandos have just as good abilities if not better (sprint, (double sprint with officer), smoke and instant stealth to run away.)

None of you have answered to this simple rationalization. I mean 20muni more per shreck would be reasonable, but 40?

Because commando smoke has a long cooldown. Its 1 use every 4-5 minutes. And no they don't get sprint. Only with a vetted officer around. And even then that sprint has a exhaustion.

And you really underestimate stormy alpha abilities. The ability to pick and your choose the majority of your fights is everything. You get to pick the advantageous terrain and positioning before hand. Thats why the shreks cost so much.

[PrinceOfScotland]

Still doesn't explain why they have to cost so much more when commandos get piats on way better platform than sappers for 10muni more.

Ohh cuz they can cloak and I don't know how to park a jeep by my armor. Commandos have just as good abilities if not better (sprint, (double sprint with officer), smoke and instant stealth to run away.)

None of you have answered to this simple rationalization. I mean 20muni more per shreck would be reasonable, but 40?

piats are much worse than shreks from what ive see so the fact they are cheeper makes sense. also mandos always seem to go up i flames when i use them quicker than KCH so sitting on the other side of a hedge doesnt save you from fire.

mandos dont have sprint, a vet 1 officer has heroic charge or you can unlock it for all officer through a T3 and even then it has an exaustionunless you get another T3 and it has a 420second cooldown.

[Mister Schmidt]

Tankedit: Irrelevant comments removed.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Besides, the practice of using scouting vehicles to detect Stormtroopers is usually flawed, as all it will do is get your scouts killed when a schreck blasts the jeep or bren into oblivion. The Stormtroopers will be revealed, yes, but usually they will simply retreat and wait for another good opportunity to slaughter anything on wheels. Stormtroopers are indeed very potent units, I'm convinced that this cry of outrage is simply stemming from a lack of knowledge on how to properly use them.

[3rdCondor]

Shreks cost more because storms can cloak. Try battle hardened for lulz.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

If anything, Stormtroopers need a slight bit of a nerf. The main problem with them is that they can do everything moderately well. Got an MG problem? Get your Schreck squad over there while cloaked and toss a bundle grenade through the window. Tanks? No problem, just ambush them and destroy with extreme prejudice. They are even decent against infantry if put in cover, plus they have added survivability as cloak allows them to pull out of engagements. With the Battle Hardened upgrade and veterancy, this is only intensified, and since Stormtroopers are very easy to gain and retain veterancy on, it's not uncommon to see groups of vet 2 squads roaming around.

[TheVolskinator]

^Sums it up.

[NightRain]

If anything, Stormtroopers need a slight bit of a nerf. The main problem with them is that they can do everything moderately well. Got an MG problem? Get your Schreck squad over there while cloaked and toss a bundle grenade through the window. Tanks? No problem, just ambush them and destroy with extreme prejudice. They are even decent against infantry if put in cover, plus they have added survivability as cloak allows them to pull out of engagements. With the Battle Hardened upgrade and veterancy, this is only intensified, and since Stormtroopers are very easy to gain and retain veterancy on, it's not uncommon to see groups of vet 2 squads roaming around.

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=23269.msg411157#msg411157

[aeroblade56]

Hmmm. i just remember Battle hardened being retarded

[Nug]

I have a cool idea, give  pzgren leader rifle to every stormtrooper, this way they will be worth their price without making them OP.

[Mister Schmidt]

My cool idea is to ban Nug from balance again asap!

[hans]

My cool idea is to ban Nug from balance again asap!

thought the same somehow

[Demon767]

i agree to such a proposition

[Nug]

Storms could use some mp and pool decrease after all they are just grens with cloak

300 mp --> 270 MP

9 pool ---> 6 pool

KCH are 290mp and they are more survivable in direct combat than storms.


they can cloak?  get a jeep..... spot them,if someone has 4 shreks on them thats 600 MU..... 1 offmap and bye 600mu