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[TheVolskinator]

What are it's armor pen stats? *Hicks signal*.

I've had my GMCs penetrating P4s from the front all day, with frequent panther rear shots that put the Sherman 75 to shame.

[DarkSoldierX]

You have corsix too. Why cant you look it up yourself?

[Hicks58]

0.75 Pen vs PIV, 0.517 pen vs Panther.

It's worth noting that it has a 0.4 pen modifier at all ranges.

Next time, load up Corsix you lazy cunt - I'm here for those without the ability to check Corsix, not those too lazy.

[aeroblade56]

hicks looked that shit up so fast.

[TheVolskinator]

Woahnilly. Me gusta. And stfu, I'm allowed to be lazy from time to time. Now, if Hicks was on vent, this would be so much simpler.

[RikiRude]

that's cool i didnt think they would penetrate armor at all, good to know.

[Demon767]

bullshit, the thing needs a nerf. 75 mm with low velocity penetrating the p4? well then lets jsut give p4ist the ability to penetrate shermans 75% of the time

[TheIcelandicManiac]

By LeoPhone

1st you find the firefly's gun.
attrib/attrib/weapon/allies_cw/ballistic_weapon/tank_gun/cw_17pounder_firefly_gun.rgd
we were wondering about the shot bouncing, so we look for penetration.
short : 1
medium: 0.92
long: 0.85

that's not bad penetration at all! why is the bullet bouncing then?

the answer is in the target_table. the penetration there is changed just for the jagd. thats what we are looking for.
go to cw_17pounder_firefly_gun.rgd/target_table/tp_armour_pe_jagtpanther
there you see the firefly has a 0.8831 pen. modifier vs the jagd.
this must be multiplied by the firefly's basic penetration. since the firefly is most of the time firing at max range we take 0.85x0.8831=0.75.

so the conclusion is that 1 of the 4 bullets a firefly will shoot on a jagd's front armor will bounce. ON AVERAGE.
Basically you were just an unlucky guy. So from now on, stop whining on the forum and check it out Yourself.

For more guides made by leo check Here or Here, he may be a dick but hes a good teacher.

[nikomas]

Would it be impossible to simply make he explode on impact... The notion of he even penetrating or bouncing in the first place is pretty homo

[TheVolskinator]

Does it really matter? Nobody uses this thing, yet Demon instantly jumps on the 'NURF TO OBLIVION SO IT NEVER GETS TOUCHED! JUST LIKE THE CROC!' train? Lol, k. Kill it with storms, isnt that the majority of your Blitz company you always use? Sheesh.

[Demon767]

Yes i will jump on ludicrous units that are doing stupid things to units.

im sorry you have a bias of believing a 75mm should penetrate 75% most of the times buddy (from what i thought was the truth)

NERF TO OBLIVION ? are you fucking stupid? its 75mm meant to kill infantry, if it DID properly penetrate p4s, you would think it will NEVER get touched after that? if the unit was only used because it could reliably kill infantry and p4s at max range, with a low velocity 75mm, then you sir are a fuck wit and should kill yourself.

I hope you read this before it gets moderated.

[Tymathee]

Its not 75%, its .75 x .4, it was random. Crap happens.

[AmPM]

Buff  LIeG to hurt vehicles again then. Same with STuH.

GMC pen should be nerfed.

[taco355]

You guys do realize the only reason it killed the p4s were because their health was abysmally low right?

[Tymathee]

You guys do realize the only reason it killed the p4s were because their health was abysmally low right?

did it penetrate fully or was it a bounce kill?

can anybody find how much dmg the gmc gun does when it bounces?

[DarkSoldierX]

did it penetrate fully or was it a bounce kill?

No such thing as a bounce kill.

[TheVolskinator]

Bounced shots still deal damage. So far as I can tell, it was luck that let me kill the P4s. Both were at 5% or less HP. When the GMC hits a tank, it does about 1/20th damage to it. Aka, jack shit.

bullshit, the thing needs a nerf. 75 mm with low velocity penetrating the p4? well then lets jsut give p4ist the ability to penetrate shermans 75% of the time

The GMC used a higher velocity French 75mm artillery cannon from WW1, with better armor penetration than the M3 75mm that the Sherman used. The GMC was used as a TD up until 1943 when the M10 replaced it. So, actually, the GMC did penetrate P4s quite easily in Tunisia.

[Contaminator]

Bounced shots still deal damage. So far as I can tell, it was luck that let me kill the P4s. Both were at 5% or less HP. When the GMC hits a tank, it does about 1/20th damage to it. Aka, jack shit.

Conclusion: GMC can pen P4s but does turd damage. This turd damage dealing gun is on an incredibly flimsy ass platform. Either ignore it or do a smack down.

[AmPM]

Bounced shots still deal damage. So far as I can tell, it was luck that let me kill the P4s. Both were at 5% or less HP. When the GMC hits a tank, it does about 1/20th damage to it. Aka, jack shit.

The GMC used a higher velocity French 75mm artillery cannon from WW1, with better armor penetration than the M3 75mm that the Sherman used. The GMC was used as a TD up until 1943 when the M10 replaced it. So, actually, the GMC did penetrate P4s quite easily in Tunisia.

The LeIG did and was used to kill tanks too. Give them back the old stats.

[Hicks58]

Alright, I provided the requested stats up front for speed, but I suppose I should have expected the faction-based shit-storm considering this is the EiRR forums.

It also needs to be noted that the GMC also does 0.6 damage to PIV armour, 0.54 to skirted PIV, 0.5 to Panther and 0.45 to skirted Panther.

That's 54 damage, 48.6, 45 and 40.5 damage respectively.

That's around half the damage of a Sherman (Just above, or just below depending on target) with less than a 1 in 3 penetration rate. If you are seriously losing PIV's and Panthers to this consistently, I sincerely suggest rethinking your strategy.

The only thing you have to worry about is a random shell catching you at low health. But fuck, a random mortar shell can 5% you too.