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[Spartan_Marine88]

Eh, I'm not a very physical person. A simple smack on the ass is as far as I'd go really in terms of "violence".

That's all it ever should be.

[DarkSoldierX]

There's one very big problem with that thinking. A person that is abusing their children will most likely not view it as abuse themselves, but as discipline. You wont know that you are one if you are one.

Punishment doesn't have to be violence, or "discipline" as you put it, to work.

It doesn't have to be violence, but when your first responses don't work, its time wack somebody in the butt.

And a wack on the butt is definitly NOT going too far.

[Smokaz]

i think we should all comment upon child raising after we've done it, im not even sure what traditional child rearing claims hitting your kid after it does something wrong is supposed to produce

[Smokaz]

as for beating your kid i received physical punishment a few times and you know what, i cant honestly make a statement about whether it improved or devolved my development.

i know you arent supposed to generalize from 1 event to a rule, but who honestly think they can claim what worked or not on themselves? the human mind doesn't work that way in my world.

Whatever is your current goal will make you attribute event x or y in the past to reach your "now" or you would be faced with a extent of randomness or lack of control which.. i guess would not make you unable to post on a forum, but you would not care about what you said or what the response was

that is quite a disturbing chain of "revelations" really *lights up*

[Smokaz]

also funny how a thread about drink ends up being about beating kids

[Hicks58]

It's also intriguing how you made 3 posts in a row.

Really, do you not know of the edit function?

[Smokaz]

A favorable attempt.

Do you know the words of Buddha?

"Meditation brings wisdom; lack of meditation leaves ignorance. Know well what leads you forward and what holds you back, and choose the path that leads to wisdom."

[Smokaz]

"First you have to break the idols of the old gods, then you may take aflight again."

[Masacree]

"You think Darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it. Molded by it. I never saw the light until I was already a man, and then I found it BLINDING"

[LiquiDeath]

hope you new age emos will teach somehow this growing up, out of line kids that freaking out and pushing someone borders can bear consequences. To me it seems, that kid raised up by very benevolent standards tend to be somehow sure they can verbally abuse and nothing can happen, you know they are used to it that baddest what can happen is hour long talk session with mommy.

this young woman occurs to me was probably never disciplined by her father, otherwise she would remember, i am sure as I remember till today 'my first freak out' corrected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M6iAxFyAOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vAYGSlYHKoo#!

btw, I pity all you scando pussies as I recall that funny comparison emo-viking pic, your next generations gonna be butthurt feminized working slaves laughed by imigrants while marching through malmo as part of G(u)ay Pride parade...

[LiquiDeath]

also this one special goes to deadbolt

[Sachaztan]

hope you new age emos will teach somehow this growing up, out of line kids that freaking out and pushing someone borders can bear consequences. To me it seems, that kid raised up by very benevolent standards tend to be somehow sure they can verbally abuse and nothing can happen, you know they are used to it that baddest what can happen is hour long talk session with mommy.

this young woman occurs to me was probably never disciplined by her father, otherwise she would remember, i am sure as I remember till today 'my first freak out' corrected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M6iAxFyAOQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vAYGSlYHKoo#!

btw, I pity all you scando pussies as I recall that funny comparison emo-viking pic, your next generations gonna be butthurt feminized working slaves laughed by imigrants while marching through malmo as part of G(u)ay Pride parade...

You are so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. You're to this subject what Jodomar is to politics.

[Tymathee]

You are so ridiculous I don't even know where to begin. You're to this subject what Jodomar is to politics.

no it's true. I see alot of kids today who think they can say whatever they want to other people, their parents and they dont get consequences. I dont know their discipline structure at home but i see it aloooot now, more so than when i was younger.

Growing up, i wouldn't dare talk back to my parents, know why? They'd pop me in the mouth and while that doesn't really hurt, it's annoying as heck.

[Sachaztan]

no it's true. I see alot of kids today who think they can say whatever they want to other people, their parents and they dont get consequences. I dont know their discipline structure at home but i see it aloooot now, more so than when i was younger.

Growing up, i wouldn't dare talk back to my parents, know why? They'd pop me in the mouth and while that doesn't really hurt, it's annoying as heck.

Just listen to what he says.

"btw, I pity all you scando pussies as I recall that funny comparison emo-viking pic, your next generations gonna be butthurt feminized working slaves laughed by imigrants while marching through malmo as part of G(u)ay Pride parade..."

In a single sentence he manages to express homophobia, xenophobia, at least 1 fallacy and sweeping generalisations. Add on top of that the bizarre and childish language.

[PonySlaystation]

perfect logic tym, something doesn't work? hit on it with a stick. it still doesnt work? hit it some more.

[Unkn0wn]

The guy's clearly a total tool, or a troll.

[LiquiDeath]

being called tool by a guy who has claimed to be a map lead for mod, yet lazy to do a 5min job of uploading maps when several active members like begged him, to fend of them he has no time to see him play DOTA later, this is amusing at least...

ad-hominem attacks are cool when you dont know how to address arguments. It seems some of you still dont get grasp of what the difference is in word 'to discipline' someone. You readilly jump on the child abuse bandwagon imagining us to beat the crap out of kids or something. AMpm summed it up clearly I think. Sometimes children are trying how far they can go and if you dont have power as last resort some of them will form some habits haunting them in future, its opinion of some of us. Its your fight how you raise your own, my remarks where only about that, to me it seems it partly started with Sweden and its advanced socialist state with equality/emancipation movement some 30-40 years ago. Its only natural the nowadays generations takes it for granted that this is like it is. Same as 3rd gen bigbrother chidren would take it normal that a person has to have mounted camera on forehead for the security of state all the time. However rest of world seems to stick with proven hierarchy and social practices when raising kids and to me It seems they are laughing their asses of our modern western ways - It is simply weaknes. So enjoy your social experiments and dont hate olskoolers for their ways and opinion, as I said it will be your children coping with consequences...

Maybe immigrants snarky remark around malmo was over the top, I think it will be enough if in this new globalized world your future kids soon meet kids from russia... I feel your 'talking way' will show

[Tymathee]

[PonySlaystation]

There is a lot of psychological research on the subject and there is no evidence that shows that children are better off with physical punishment. There is however a lot of evidence that shows that it negatively effects their mental health. The extent of the crime doesn't really matter. If you shoplifted instead of robbing banks, would that make you an angel? Also what you say and what you do are usually different. If I was a wife beater and child beater would I publicly tell everyone about it? of course not, I would lie like the little coward I am. A small punishment may be a lot for a small kid to handle. Children are fragile things and who's to say it doesn't escalate into something more serious with broken bones as a result. Because that's what usually happens, if people have no moral standpoint and find it acceptable to injure family members then what barrier is there to keep it from getting worse?

That kids today are not well behaved is a different issue entirely. The problem is that parents enforce no discipline at all, they spoil their children and they never have time to spend with them. Sure, some things may piss you off, like when an old man gets kicked down and gets his legs broken by some young hoodlums, you wish you were there for some real eye for an eye justice, make them suffer like the old man has. But the truth is, just because they had bad or non-existent parents doesn't mean they would be better off if someone hit them. That may be even the reason why they would do such an awful thing. Because children who receive physical punishment are more likely to be aggressive and violent.

[Hicks58]

You keep saying "Psychological research" but you keep failing to provide any references to any studies.

As somebody who has put a fair amount of study time into Psychology, this is getting quite irritating.