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[tank130]

With the feedback provided by the community, I have made the following changes to D_Day.

Because all of us agree that Nueville is one of the best maps to follow as a template for design, I have overlayed Shaffa's map technique over it. You can find his design philosophy here.


As you can see, this map clearly follows his design guidelines.



Also note plenty of green cover for infantry in the city center.





As requested - additional entrances to trenches added, as well as entry points on both sides to allow for infantry flank through this area.





Lets not forget the flanks............
Left Flank: Credit given to Skaffa as this is a stamp of Nueville



Right Flank: Most of the tank traps removed. The only ones remaining are very far from the roadway and will only cause pathing issues if your are a complete fucking moron.



I can only hope the Armchair critics are willing to actually try the map before passing judgement.

Update to launcher will happen about an hour from this post

[Vermillion_Hawk]

Skaffa's design philosophy - take Semois, rotate on an axis, remove water, be praised as a mapmaking genius.

[aeroblade56]

Ohgodwhy.jpeg Tank might actually map a good map.

[Masacree]

zzz you can't use a checklist to "justify" that your map is a good map. Either it gets played or it doesn't.

people are refusing to try new maps because of rumors and armchair map analysis. Until the majority of the community stops that behavior,as map lead I need to find an alternative that does not require coding.

[brn4meplz]

I laughed.

Tank trolled hard. Good job Tank.


On topic, map looks nice, I'll have to give it a try sometime

[tank130]

zzz you can't use a checklist to "justify" that your map is a good map. Either it gets played or it doesn't.

Exactly the point we are trying to make. At last someone gets it.....

You can post all the map building guides and pretty pictures you want. Just because a map has all the lines and arrows of the supposed 'Holy Grail' of maps *cough*Neuville*cough does not mean it is another 'Holy Grail'.

The opposite is equally true. Your map does not need to be a stamp of Neuville, or have the exact makings and markings to be good.

[deadbolt]

add loads of markers for extra gusta!

[Ahnungsloser]

Am I right that the lovely designed beach at the bottom/top corner has no real use?
How would it be to open a direct way to the beach from spawn point 3 and 6 to create a new way?

[tank130]

Am I right that the lovely designed beach at the bottom/top corner has no real use?
How would it be to open a direct way to the beach from spawn point 3 and 6 to create a new way?

The beach is an awesome asset as a flanking area. Like any flank on any map, it can be shut down with the use of wire/TT/ and mines.

The access to the beach, on both sides, is inside of the second sector from your spawn. The entrance is well behind the 'nomansland' or main battle area.

If you are pushed back past this point, you are well on your way to loosing the battle I think.

Or you are in attack mode from the Warmap. If that is the case, just like playing on Neuville, you will have to battle to open that flank. Your second sector from the spawn has houses, heavy cover, and light cover to mass your units to prepare for the attack on either flank.

You can also completely ignore the beach as a flank and use the trench area to flank. At a minimum, you can get infantry through there. I have not tried this yet, but the one trench opening may be large enough for a LV to get through...... that would be kinda cool.

Just like Neuville, if the flank is being protected, you will have to either not use it, or take out the protection. Mortars or flames and smoke are going to clear those trenches pretty fast.


If adding another access to the beach is truly going to better game play, I will add it. Right now I am not seeing any real justification to it. It would be like adding another road around the perimeter of Neuville, it would help - but not needed.

[hans]

hans approves that map 

[Ahnungsloser]

As a non map creater I suddenly noticed how much thoughts you can put into a map. It seem's that you put a lot of mind work into that map.
I looked at the pictures you have added here in the thread and I think it will be tight to add some extra ways to the beach. But as you said maybe it's not even necessary.


I have a 3v3 open. Hopefully I come into the taste of a new map. *lol*

[hans]

what i suggest is work on the right flank abit. the bunkers and trenches makes it hard to flank there and the coast is too tight imo.

so what we do is, shifting the trenches abit to the city so a small way appears on right. we reduce the stonewalls on the coast and open the coast entry by shifting the entry of the coast toward the sea.

that way we open the right flank and it still looks awesome.

[Heartmann]

Id like to add one more thing, but first say thanks a lot, Id never be able to or have energy to put into making a map like this so lots of props to you!

I think it would benefit the map if at far end of each beach flank, you add a small ramp, so that you can flank far far at the spawn area?

[tank130]

I think it would benefit the map  if we:

- add entrances to the beach right at the spawn.
- Widen beach really wide so it's like a big open field that you can drive 3 armies through.
- move trenches so we never have to worry about actually trying to fight anyone from them
- then, lets move that damn city over to the left as well, cuz I want to be able to just drive massive armies through there too.
- Oh shit, now that you moved the city over, there is no left flank. So let's delete all those house, they just fuck up my pathing anyways

There we go.... that's what we were talking about. We would never actually come right out and tell people we want maps that are just open fields with a few hay bales. This way we disguise it as just opening up that flank and that there beach a bit.......

LOL

But seriously..... the map has been played 1 time since the changes were made. How about we give a few more go's before we turn it into a football field.

[hans]

I think it would benefit the map  if we:

- add entrances to the beach right at the spawn.
- Widen beach really wide so it's like a big open field that you can drive 3 armies through.
- move trenches so we never have to worry about actually trying to fight anyone from them
- then, lets move that damn city over to the left as well, cuz I want to be able to just drive massive armies through there too.
- Oh shit, now that you moved the city over, there is no left flank. So let's delete all those house, they just fuck up my pathing anyways

There we go.... that's what we were talking about. We would never actually come right out and tell people we want maps that are just open fields with a few hay bales. This way we disguise it as just opening up that flank and that there beach a bit.......

LOL

But seriously..... the map has been played 1 time since the changes were made. How about we give a few more go's before we turn it into a football field.

yupp ^^

[TheVolskinator]

I think it looks fine as is. Too fine. Tank, where did you steal this from D:

[hans]

I wish there was more use to the top and bottom beach bits because the only use i can see for them is hiding 25's, radio triangulation thingies, and dropping airborne units. I like corners of maps to be useful even though fighting is not supposed to really take place there.

Could you possibly put extra entrances to it at the spawns?

it is useful =_=. u can move units to the beach =_=. dafuq=_=

[hans]

there's no point in putting a unit in the top right or bottom right beach area. Only around the central beach area.

imagine u are a soldier and are able to go to the beautiful beach? IMAGINE THAT!

[hans]

D-Day... What fun it would be to be there...

hmm kay good argument 

[tank130]

there's no point in putting a unit in the top right or bottom right beach area. Only around the central beach area.

If my enemy has the cliff trench i can't flank them round the right, so extra entrances at spawn will allow you to flank from the right (like you would on an open field map).

TIG, if you were playing Nueville, and your enemy had the right flank locked down, what would you do?

You are right, there is no point putting units in the top right or bottom right. I intentionally sectored it so you could not place a unit in the little corner to cap someones spawn/sector.

Something you may want to consider - if you had access to the beach closer to your spawn, your enemy can flank you near your spawn..... Hmmmmm wonder what would happen if your arty piece is parked there, or maybe that high vet tank you got repairing there.....