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[NightRain]

There are PZI models, we have PZII's in the game and ground said he had a PZIII model, this means we can use appropriate tanks and the IST can stay an IST.

Incase IST is added in we can add also stub Sherman and Churchill Mark I. It'd work.

[nikomas]

Incase IST is added in we can add also stub Sherman and Churchill Mark I. It'd work.

We have M3 Lee models, I believe it is more appropriate than the Sherman. I don't see why we'd use Churchill, we don't need heavy tanks. If anything, Crusaders would work better if we need a medium to fight the PzIII's.

[CommieKiller]

will be really few on infantry upgrades

[nikomas]

All hail MP40's, the pinnacle of technology

And AT rifles, I suppose? haha

[NightRain]

We have M3 Lee models, I believe it is more appropriate than the Sherman. I don't see why we'd use Churchill, we don't need heavy tanks. If anything, Crusaders would work better if we need a medium to fight the PzIII's.

Well true that too, but British DID have Shermans in African Campaign as they did have M3 Lees, I suppose Lee COULD replace the British Sherman in this case.

Churchills did come out 42, it could be the shitty version introduced as a prototype or something? That crappy vanilla Churchill Mark 4 with its 6pdr. More or less a breakthrough tank.

As for Infantry.

For Germans?
No panzerfausts
No LMG42s
No G43s
No FG42s
No STG44s
No Panzerschrecks

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So what it leaves us with? MP40s hooray! Kar98s, not a bad rifle by any means, AT nades, normal grenades, Boys AT rifles. LMG34 <- find a model plox. Basically there'd be no heavy machinegun teams for Germans aside of MG34 units. That is a HUGE loadout loss there.

British?
Everything they currently have.
Yes PIATs
Yes Boys AT
Yes Sten Mk2s
Yes Brens


On a higher note. G43s can be replaced with a G41, statswise modified? Maybe, or just leave it as a plain G43 without even touching it, use as imagination that it is a G41 replica.

[nikomas]

Germans can get AT rifles to, also, we already have the MG34 in EiRR.

[NightRain]

Germans can get AT rifles to, also, we already have the MG34 in EiRR.

MG34 only comes as a HMG version not as a LMG version. I did mention Boys AT for Germans, it is just called different, PE already has them for failschrimjägers

[Groundfire]

MG34 only comes as a HMG version not as a LMG version. I did mention Boys AT for Germans, it is just called different, PE already has them for failschrimjägers

Pretty no one will zoom in to see the difference of an MG34 vs. an MG42. Also I think we do have a "carry" model

[nikomas]

Support Grens night, they have the 34

[NightRain]

Support Grens night, they have the 34

You are right, there is a LMG34 in the RGDs, clever eyes ya have I could of sworn support grens had LMG42s.

So to summarize it.

Infantry weapons aside of Vanilla British and Wehrmacht and Panzer Elite rifles

Brens
Stens
Boys AT
PIAT
Handgrenades
AT grenades
LMG34
HMG34

If Possible G41

For Vehicles:

Most of the common halftracks with skipping off certain ones such as 50mm Halftrack. Also Panzer Elite has no access to Marder III as it was produced 1942. Poor PE's AT arsenal looks pretty, well, shit.

Allies:

Brengun carriers
Tetrach
Stuart
Crusader if model found
M3 Lee
Matilda If model found
Hotchkiss (For allies to represent French forces in a sense)

Germany:

Halftracks
Pz I
Pz II
Pz III
Pz IV IST
Non-upgun Puma


As a matter of a fact, German primary AT asset looks it will be the 8,8 cm Flak 18 (aka shieldless version), Pz III and the PAK38 and PAK 36. PAK 38 5cm was produced 1938.

But here is something interesting, Allies will cry the tears of rage when they hear this.

British 6 Pounder Anti tank gun was produced 1942 which means. It is not available for Allies. This means that Allies have the Armored power in terms of Matildas and Axis the Anti tank advance due to PAK 38. This is indeed good news for Panzer Elite.

[hans]

give me some time and i can skinn the allies and axis to a good tone = )

[Groundfire]

I think I may just make the german units just "German" no wehrmacht or PE. To make up for it, I think i can make doctrines from both factions work on the same unit.

[Marlboroman]

if this wasnt done properly then axis infantry would get gimped soo hard since the shreck the mp44 and the lmg 42 both werent made then if youre going to do this then separate it as two different types of companies 1939,s and late war companies (like when you make a company add the option to make a 1939 company with a different roster) give stormtroopers abillity to buy mp40s and at rifles make at rifles more powerful give kch mp40s and let grens buy at rifles and lmg 34s

[NightRain]

if this wasnt done properly then axis infantry would get gimped soo hard since the shreck the mp44 and the lmg 42 both werent made then if youre going to do this then separate it as two different types of companies 1939,s and late war companies (like when you make a company add the option to make a 1939 company with a different roster) give stormtroopers abillity to buy mp40s and at rifles make at rifles more powerful give kch mp40s and let grens buy at rifles and lmg 34s

Yeah axis infantry gets gimped. Fighting against British with the second best Rifle in the entire game, Kar98. It is far from gimped. The only advantage Germans will lose is infact Armor. Allies will be having the strongest Armored forces but they wont have any proper anti tank guns (unless someone finds a model of a Bofors 37 or similar ATGs) unlike Germans who will have PAK38s, 8,8 cm Flak 18s and PAK 36s. The PAK 36 is questionable as it can handle lighter vehicles, I'm not sure how it will fight versus medium armor but I guess it shall remain as a LV annihiliator.

Groundfire is right though, I was chewing on the idea that PE will be pretty shit as it loses all its main AT combonents, but if it is merged with the Wehrmacht then sure. Panzergrenadiers can easily replace volksgrenadiers (Volksgrenadiers came into full effect in later paces of war aka 44) Though, the loss of volksgrenadiers kinda makes me wonder, is it possible to change their name to a rifle team? Or just increase Panzer grenadier squad to 5 members?

[Marlboroman]

yes axis will be screwed cause theyll be fightin gainst brens with k98s and i dont know what fantasy land you live in but tommy squad with bren guns vs gren squad hmm i think the bren squad wins

[Hicks58]

Because when the enemy brings 75 MU of AI firepower, you'll be bringing nothing, right?

In fact, you'll hold your ground fine with Grenadiers vs Brens if you do two things. Avoid close range, and grab some cover.

Then again Grenadiers are entirely built around the idea of using cover, even in their weapon unlocks, so you should be doing that anyhow.

Grenadiers will probably end up with the handheld LMG34.

[NightRain]

yes axis will be screwed cause theyll be fightin gainst brens with k98s and i dont know what fantasy land you live in but tommy squad with bren guns vs gren squad hmm i think the bren squad wins

I live in the world of stats and tactics. If you had also read what has been summarized you would notice that there are LMG34 available for Axis infantry. Bren squads are not a big problem.

Also as hicks said. Close range and medium range are were bren starts to shine, the closer the better. Long range and medkit has always been Kar98s advantage.

I am concerned though of Allied low AT. Handhelds and tank guns don't really cut it properly. Neither does Bofors emplacement, if 6pdrs are not there, it needs something pak36 like.


If possible, at all one could try to converse with these fellas

Afrika Mods







They have plenty of early models which would be handy.

[Groundfire]

So someone please tell me why this would be any fun if I am just making carbon "early war" copies of all the armies.

With P4s just being P3s, and grens still getting their LMG. What fun is that?

[NightRain]

So someone please tell me why this would be any fun if I am just making carbon "early war" copies of all the armies.

With P4s just being P3s, and grens still getting their LMG. What fun is that?

Like any normal game without Anti tank guns and American forces.

[Hicks58]

Lack of huge caliber ATG's, handheld AT being rarer, no heavy tanks lurking about the field, unupgraded infantry being much more common...

However, you'd still need to achieve some balance. One side getting all the neat toys and the other having bugger all due to not having the appropriate models would be... Bad.