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[Hicks58]

The TA has a bit better accel/decel, with 2.5/4 vs the SP's 2/3.

The HE shell type is better than the SP's rounds for AI, and should be brought down to 40 range, whilst AP keeps the 45. The idea was that the SP was an all around performer whilst the TA specialised in one or the other with it's ammo types (Shooting LV's with AP or HV's with HE is very inefficient).

[TheWindCriesMary]

I suppose you two are speaking as experienced and frequent users of the Slugger, right?

Do you think it's by accident that the good players in the mod always want to buy Sluggers? Do you think that happens because we like the models on them or think the name sounds cool?

No because they typically like to min/max and the Slugger can sometimes be used to that effect.

I take it you say all this whilst remembering the old TA stats off the top of your head then Wind?

And this would be relevant to knowing it is absolutely a terrible idea to buff a unit 7x in one patch how?


 The TA was strong before it got buffed. Maybe it needed to be stronger in your opinion, that's cool. But instead of adding one nice little improvement and testing to see how that impacted the mod, you added SEVEN. Seven! Where is the trial and error? Where is the restraint and patience?

How would you even know after the patch went in which straw broke the camel's back if it turned out (as it did) the tank became a super jesus man unit?

There's no isolating of variables, no controlling for anything, no measuring a change against a single thing. The scientific method right out the window. Cause and effect calibrating not even in the same country or universe. Just wanton abandon and flying fast and free.

But hey, if you guys need to make yourselves feel better by bad mouthing and slandering me, feel free.

Badmouthing and slandering of a person = that prime minister of imaginationland is a rotten monster who is very evil and probably molests children <--- not what anyone did

Criticism of a action you took = this decision to buff the TA 7x seems reckless as it caused the unit to become comically powerful and negatively impact games in which it appeared and, as a result, the overall balance of the mod. <--- what some of us are doing

[EliteGren]

I suppose you two are speaking as experienced and frequent users of the Slugger, right?

1) yes
2) in no way shape or form should a triple nerf ever be taking place, there is no justification for it

[nikomas]

*Looks at vet 5 slugger*

Nope, Still pretty badass.

[XIIcorps]

*Looks at vet 5 slugger*

Nope, Still pretty badass.

AND how many exist ?
Well how many actually see games and arent sitting in holding zones ?

[GrayWolf]

AND how many exist ?
Well how many actually see games and arent sitting in holding zones ?

Sluger is better version of FF with slightly smaller range. Deal with it.

[Shabtajus]

AND how many exist ?
Well how many actually see games and arent sitting in holding zones ?

i don see many vet5 TA's or SP's neither? whats ya point here corps?

back on topic. SP becomes epic being at vet5 cuz you get extra speed isnt? and at vet4 gets better armour, than its a problem4sure but keep in mind its not a magic tank still it requires proper support. Same apllies to TA. I mean yes they r kinda OP but they r also reward units under legendary card. So its not easy to get em tbh and once they r killed you must wait to get other TA or SP.

etc me i like playing vs TA or SP cuz it gives extra flavour for hunting em. yes its hard kill em but totally worth doing it cuz for me its un and it makes TA's and SP's users mad after hunting down shit lol

all QQ'ing about some units being ultra OP sometimes makes me laugh tbh. Etc skaffa's ''OP'' rangers, ''OP'' smoke strats, deadbolt's t17s or back in the days wind's hetzers + pgrens/tellers. So many complains were made by ''forum experts'' and each time the same haters failing hardcore trying copy ''OP'' strats. Sometimes you guys need chill out and think maybe its just better player wooping ya ass? Deal with it. Both sides has his own bullshit its just player's skills make some units or strats look better than they r in fact

[XIIcorps]

If jacksons were so good, they would see much higher use and Vet by all players not just 1 or 2.

TA and SP on the other hand could be vetted to vet 3 by pretty well anyone.

[Shabtajus]

point is not about vet up its about how units like TA and SP effects meta game.

look i truly believe every1 can vet up anything he wants if playing smart or volskinator's style (spawn camp). Vet units will be a game changer? I doubt. Higher vet unit reaching more pussy his owner becomes. Its true and sad fact.

TA and SP rapes faces when being in hands of a good player. Give those tanks to deadbolt/skaffa/rolcsika and ya will have hard times in game but give those tanks to graywolf/hans/12corps and its aint dat big deal pown em. u c ma point here??

[GrayWolf]

Even so, I still managed to get 60 infantry kills and few fireflies in a single game. Dunno why in your opinion vet 3 TA is low for you. It's not about player skill shab. Being pussy and vet-whoring doesn't prove you're a good player. The same skill you need for every unit. It's called micro. Vet-whoring isn't a skill shab.

Also : Vet 5 SP is better than non vet SP. Even if the player becomes pussy, SP still cannot be penetrated and can fight massive blobs.

[Shabtajus]

Even so, I still managed to get 60 infantry kills and few fireflies in a single game. Dunno why in your opinion vet 3 TA is low for you. It's not about player skill shab. Being pussy and vet-whoring doesn't prove you're a good player. The same skill you need for every unit. It's called micro. Vet-whoring isn't a skill shab.

Also : Vet 5 SP is better than non vet SP. Even if the player becomes pussy, SP still cannot be penetrated and can fight massive blobs.

and where is ya TA now? oh wait i killed it 

u know i had 78 kills with panzerII does it makes p2 being in the same ''omg OP'' category as TA/SP? lol garry

[GrayWolf]

and where is ya TA now? oh wait i killed it 

Oh wait, where is ya SP now ? Oh wait Korpi killed it and he's a new player.

[Shabtajus]

Oh wait, where is ya SP now ? Oh wait Korpi killed it and he's a new player.

actually ma SP was deleted by devs when i got banned and all ma coys were deleted too

[PonySlaystation]

Myst stated a few weeks ago that the Tiger Ace, Super Pershing, Jagdtiger, Elefant, T17, AVRE, Sturmpanzer IV and the manpower cost of some support weapons are on the agenda for the next patch.

[GrayWolf]

a few weeks ago

:/ Hopefully he'll do it in near future.

[CrazyWR]

Even so, I still managed to get 60 infantry kills and few fireflies in a single game. Dunno why in your opinion vet 3 TA is low for you. It's not about player skill shab. Being pussy and vet-whoring doesn't prove you're a good player. The same skill you need for every unit. It's called micro. Vet-whoring isn't a skill shab.

Also : Vet 5 SP is better than non vet SP. Even if the player becomes pussy, SP still cannot be penetrated and can fight massive blobs.

you're talking shit about people being a pussy and vet-whoring?  That is rich...

[Mister Schmidt]

Okay, that's enough here people. I'm sure everything will be taken into consideration.