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koimn6
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Re: Commando Stens
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Reply #20 on:
May 22, 2015, 08:35:54 am »
Quote from: nikomas on May 22, 2015, 08:33:14 am
Yeah? Seems fair to me. It's the same for most assault units, you only get one or two attacks.
no more refute?
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 08:36:42 am »
Quote from: koimn6 on May 22, 2015, 08:35:54 am
no more refute?
I'm talking raw firepower, besides, theorycrafting doesn't help. The unit is good, that's my point.
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koimn6
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 08:49:24 am »
Quote from: nikomas on May 22, 2015, 08:36:42 am
I'm talking raw firepower, besides, theorycrafting doesn't help. The unit is good, that's my point.
the thing we have to say, they can't be used like any other assault infantry cus of their health
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nikomas
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 09:34:36 am »
Quote from: koimn6 on May 22, 2015, 08:49:24 am
the thing we have to say, they can't be used like any other assault infantry cus of their health
You can say that, but it's not true. They've got 65 and it's the same as rangers and falls.
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aeroblade56
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 09:56:13 am »
yes and falls are complete beast. thanks to that nice healing factor which i posted a video of.
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 10:38:34 am »
Stens are absolute dogshite vs anything with Heroic or Soldier armour... But I don't really think that's a problem.
The only gripe I have with Stens is their price tbh. Rangers work out well with expensive SMG's as the platform is very survivable vs other assault weapon wielding opponents. Elite armour + 65hp per man is pretty good vs MP44's and the likes, Soldier armour melts in contact with SMG's, meaning the Stens are very single-use vs the elite units you want them to take out.
Using a Triage, you can get your whack out of Rangers again and again so long as you artfully avoid vehicles/tanks. Commandos WILL suffer attrition and you can't really help it unless you never take on anything other than rifle equipped infantry... Which Rifle/Grenade Commandos could do instead.
Dropping them to 100-110 MU might not be such a terrible idea. Their stats work out fair enough, just price tweaking that is needed.
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aeroblade56
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 11:08:15 am »
90 munies tbh.
Rangers are way better, good armor good HP Fireup. with doctrines can get LMGS, 6 thompsons, can revive 2 dead soldiers. can also get zooks which get buffed by TR.
Commandos get piats which are expensive hit and miss weapons, without ambush they really are pretty ineffective.
stens as you said are dogshite.
even with the suppression break i believe u can actually push them with a bike and they uncloak.
for very similiar prices rangers cant be compared in any terms.
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 11:44:12 am »
Quote from: aeroblade56 on May 22, 2015, 11:08:15 am
90 munies tbh.
Rangers are way better, good armor good HP Fireup. with doctrines can get LMGS, 6 thompsons, can revive 2 dead soldiers. can also get zooks which get buffed by TR.
Commandos get piats which are expensive hit and miss weapons, without ambush they really are pretty ineffective.
stens as you said are dogshite.
even with the suppression break i believe u can actually push them with a bike and they uncloak.
for very similiar prices rangers cant be compared in any terms.
you can push them with any vech, ketten or schwim and they will uncloak.
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nikomas
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 01:20:58 pm »
Lets get real here guys, you compare them to rangers but when was the last time anyone in general ran thompson rangers? Hell, without the shitty overlord doctrine you only get 4 thompsons for the price of 6 stens... And thompsons are not better than stens, stens might actually be sliiiiightly better iirc. Point is comparing mandostens to rangertoms makes stens look better!
Commandoes used to have dogpile pool values, and now that smokecloak is back I think that should be enough for now.
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Tachibana
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 01:53:20 pm »
Agree with niko and wags. Price drop would be ok, but not all the way down to 90. I don't think you guys are taking the rime to realize how amazing mando smoke cloak is. The main thing I see hindering mando performance at this time is the constant glider drop into backlines totally unsupported. Just because you can send them into the backlines doesn't mean you always should.
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Hobomancer
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 22, 2015, 03:04:17 pm »
Quote from: Tachibana on May 22, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
Agree with niko and wags. Price drop would be ok, but not all the way down to 90. I don't think you guys are taking the rime to realize how amazing mando smoke cloak is. The main thing I see hindering mando performance at this time is the constant glider drop into backlines totally unsupported. Just because you can send them into the backlines doesn't mean you always should.
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koimn6
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Re: Commando Stens
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Reply #31 on:
May 22, 2015, 05:05:50 pm »
Quote from: Hicks58 on May 22, 2015, 10:38:34 am
Stens are absolute dogshite vs anything with Heroic or Soldier armour... But I don't really think that's a problem.
The only gripe I have with Stens is their price tbh. Rangers work out well with expensive SMG's as the platform is very survivable vs other assault weapon wielding opponents. Elite armour + 65hp per man is pretty good vs MP44's and the likes, Soldier armour melts in contact with SMG's, meaning the Stens are very single-use vs the elite units you want them to take out.
Using a Triage, you can get your whack out of Rangers again and again so long as you artfully avoid vehicles/tanks. Commandos WILL suffer attrition and you can't really help it unless you never take on anything other than rifle equipped infantry... Which Rifle/Grenade Commandos could do instead.
Dropping them to 100-110 MU might not be such a terrible idea. Their stats work out fair enough, just price tweaking that is needed.
high cost and poor platform.
have to check after r0012 how they works.
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Korpisolttu
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Re: Commando Stens
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May 23, 2015, 08:55:39 am »
Quote from: Tachibana on May 22, 2015, 01:53:20 pm
Agree with niko and wags. Price drop would be ok, but not all the way down to 90. I don't think you guys are taking the rime to realize how amazing mando smoke cloak is. The main thing I see hindering mando performance at this time is the constant glider drop into backlines totally unsupported. Just because you can send them into the backlines doesn't mean you always should.
I totally agree with this. Small prize drop would do the job for now. You don't want to make too dramatical changes (I haven't had time to play much so I don't know too much what's going on). If Kyun plays only commandos and still can't handle properly them that doesn't mean they need over puff + KCH are no way comparable to mandos as they cost honey. Just make small changes and see how they play out, don't want to mix unbalance even more.
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koimn6
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Posts: 121
Re: Commando Stens
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Reply #33 on:
May 23, 2015, 06:49:14 pm »
Quote from: Korpisolttu on May 23, 2015, 08:55:39 am
I totally agree with this. Small prize drop would do the job for now. You don't want to make too dramatical changes (I haven't had time to play much so I don't know too much what's going on).
If Kyun plays only commandos and still can't handle properly them that doesn't mean they need over puff + KCH are no way comparable to mandos as they cost honey.
Just make small changes and see how they play out, don't want to mix unbalance even more.
lol, did i ruin your pride, cus u lose against mando? whatever it is, they need more buff, might be ok if we will look this only about unit. but need more doctrine buff. and i agree with tachibana too, stens r just little bit of overpriced, and now they can use sprint in enemy territory,
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