giving bofors emplacement more range

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[Smokaz]

is anyone against giving it more range, with a jump in the munitions cost?

[Uglysori]

is anyone against giving it more range, with a jump in the munitions cost?

Man I really need to dive back into Corsix to look at all the stats again when I have time but if you increase the range of the bofors it would get more difficult to attack them with ATGs?

[Hicks58]

More health might be an idea - most emplacements are paper thin and take horrific levels of damage from just about anything.

[ItsDouggernaut]

I feel more health for emplacements would be better, range I think is fine but maybe reduce damage from schrecks and increase damage from fire, just a suggestion?

[Tachibana]

So, does the bofors actually NEED the extra range and/or hp to do what its supposed to be doing? Or does smokaz want to start trollolol'ing with the bofors?

[tank130]

Range increases are greatly frowned upon.

[aeroblade56]

Range increases are greatly frowned upon.

In the case of the bofors its actually not.

The bofors has horrible accuracy upclose. its very easily killed by pe infantry that can throw incendiary grenades in its face with taking little damage.

[EliteGren]

I wish it had more HP instead, it needs more resistance to mortars and people using paks to get rid of it. It's job is to lock down areas and its got enough range for that

Also wtf: why is it RSE only? That's bull. 17 pounder is worth an unlock alone

[Smokaz]

problem:

a solo pak, with no help, can kill bofors

emplacements at least need to win some 1v1 fights, or do better at them, do be justifed right now

Id also like if paks had a modififier vs it, generally axis can just AFK kill a bofors with a single pak

[Smokaz]

Range increases are greatly frowned upon.

Tank, the bofors has modifiers that make it ineffective at short range. Its counters are too many. Its already 4 pop.
Its better if the bofors is a quality unit than some spammable bunker that people laugh at way more than bunkers. Bunkers can actually win games. Bofors, im not even sure if it can keep a sector capped?

Also, if we considered the bofors more of a light AA/AT gun, which it kinda is weapon-wise, it having 50 or 60 range is in line with everything else. PE's light at gun has good range. FLak 88 has 100.

[Uglysori]

Range increase would be unwarranted imo.  The bofors has 45 range.  The only things outranging currently are ATGs and SPGs like 50mm HTs, Marders, and Geshutz.

[Smokaz]

Range increase would be unwarranted imo.  The bofors has 45 range.  The only things outranging currently are ATGs and SPGs like 50mm HTs, Marders, and Geshutz.

Those guys can move man. Bofors has too many counters, and british camping/combined arms isnt really that powerful. You cant expect a company centered around a bofors to come help you on the side.

Allowing the emplacement to be moved, would also help a lot.

[Uglysori]

I don't see why a 4 pop emplacement should have 60 range and be able to trade at equal distance with an ATG or SPG (both of which are vulnerable to Bofors fire).  All other LVs, Pumas, ACs, Hotch have to be within Bofors range to even attack it - same with all other Axis tanks unless you shooting over a wall with a STUH.  PIVs can't even kill a Bofors 1v1 without taking some sort of damage.  Moveable Bofors opens up the problem of pack up, drop down, back up to 100% health emplacement - though yes it would be useful if it could move in spite of this issue.

[aeroblade56]

I don't see why a 4 pop emplacement should have 60 range and be able to trade at equal distance with an ATG or SPG (both of which are vulnerable to Bofors fire).  All other LVs, Pumas, ACs, Hotch have to be within Bofors range to even attack it - same with all other Axis tanks unless you shooting over a wall with a STUH.  PIVs can't even kill a Bofors 1v1 without taking some sort of damage.  Moveable Bofors opens up the problem of pack up, drop down, back up to 100% health emplacement - though yes it would be useful if it could move in spite of this issue.

the bofors has a 0.1466 chance to penetrate a p4 at point blank range. with a damage roll of 25-35 damage.

I doubt very much your are losing any real amount of hp from a bofors with a p4. Dont forget about the -10% damage with skirts.
It would take 20+penetrating shots at 30 damage to do 600+ damage.

I also believe that emplacement take increased damage from artillery?.(need lothen to confirm)

[Smokaz]

I don't see why a 4 pop emplacement should have 60 range and be able to trade at equal distance with an ATG or SPG (both of which are vulnerable to Bofors fire).  All other LVs, Pumas, ACs, Hotch have to be within Bofors range to even attack it - same with all other Axis tanks unless you shooting over a wall with a STUH.  PIVs can't even kill a Bofors 1v1 without taking some sort of damage.  Moveable Bofors opens up the problem of pack up, drop down, back up to 100% health emplacement - though yes it would be useful if it could move in spite of this issue.

I dont see why 8 pop = 100 range, but 4 pop is only 45, but heya bad comparisons. Axis has 88, which is a class unit compared to the bofors. Thats pretty clear from how unpopular the bofors is, how it cant retain vet heya.

I dont know anyone would be opposed to giving the bofors a real buff, instead of just limping out with something half assed.

[Smokaz]

I dont see why 8 pop = 100 range, but 4 pop is only 40, but heya bad comparisons. Axis has 88, which is a class unit compared to the bofors. Thats pretty clear from how unpopular the bofors is, how it cant retain vet heya.

Also, I was talking about buffing it vs paks by giving it more max weapon range. With its current sight range however, does it even maintain ability to return fire witout a spotter?
Im not sure it does. The pak would kill it easily from max range, with a spotter. But when both teams have a spotter, it will be harder for the pak to take down the bofors solo, which SHOULD BE THE CASE for a emplacement which cannot move, or be recrewed most of the time! It has to be able to retaliate against the most common threats.

Right click bofors with pak = forget

make bofors 6 pop, give it same range as pak, this way the short range of it where it will miss infantry will be larger relatively as well!

[Uglysori]

the bofors has a 0.1466 chance to penetrate a p4 at point blank range. with a damage roll of 25-35 damage.

I doubt very much your are losing any real amount of hp from a bofors with a p4. Dont forget about the -10% damage with skirts.
It would take 20+penetrating shots at 30 damage to do 600+ damage.

I also believe that emplacement take increased damage from artillery?.(need lothen to confirm)

The point wasn't that the Bofors has a real chance to destroy a full health PIV - regular or IST.  The point was for an anti-lv emplacement, it's not even a free lunch for an Axis medium tank to kill a bofors emplacement unless the tank is weaving in and out between main gun reload times.  

The pen is actually even worse than that, Aero.  Assuming the PIV sits at 40 range, Bofors should be getting an extra 38% pen debuff at 40 range so the P4 should only be penned at 5.6% chance.  10% damage debuff is kinda nominal on a weapon that is relatively low damage and high rate of fire.  Something like average 3 less damage per pen?  I believe the bofors does bounce damage per deflection but I couldn't tell you how much per shot (would really like to know how much actually just not sure where in the RGDs I could find this) but it does mean that basically 100% accuracy vs tanks, you will be taking chip damage whenever you engage one with a medium tank.

[Uglysori]

Yikes sorry dbl post.

[aeroblade56]

The point wasn't that the Bofors has a real chance to destroy a full health PIV - regular or IST.  The point was for an anti-lv emplacement, it's not even a free lunch for an Axis medium tank to kill a bofors emplacement unless the tank is weaving in and out between main gun reload times.  

The pen is actually even worse than that, Aero.  Assuming the PIV sits at 40 range, Bofors should be getting an extra 38% pen debuff at 40 range so the P4 should only be penned at 5.6% chance.  10% damage debuff is kinda nominal on a weapon that is relatively low damage and high rate of fire.  Something like average 3 less damage per pen?  I believe the bofors does bounce damage per deflection but I couldn't tell you how much per shot (would really like to know how much actually just not sure where in the RGDs I could find this) but it does mean that basically 100% accuracy vs tanks, you will be taking chip damage whenever you engage one with a medium tank.

The Bofors has a deflection mod of 0.05 you will be dealing 1.75 damage deflection if you roll a 35.

[tank130]

I said range buffs are frowned upon. I didn't say you can't make the Bofors better in other ways.