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[pandaExpress]

lol

[Smokaz]

why cant nobody support MY TANK

[hans]

panther acc against infantry should be reduced to zero

[GORKHALI]

wat the point , killing all the unit , when u can't win the game just vet whoring no mainline inf  just reapir engineer spam and vet whoring heavies

[GrayWolf]

wat the point , killing all the unit , when u can't win the game just vet whoring no mainline inf  just reapir engineer spam and vet whoring heavies

true lol

[EliteGren]

that game was horrible, axis slaughtered allied inf all game until "something" happened that caused us to lose

[tank130]

that game was horrible, axis slaughtered allied inf all game until "something" happened that caused us to lose

I could have sworn we just had a thread recently where someone suggested axis needed a buff because allied inf were slaughtering them.

[EliteGren]

I could have sworn we just had a thread recently where someone suggested axis needed a buff because allied inf were slaughtering them.

there is no reason to ignore the other part of my post, the one of them being the most expensive infantry unit in the game for 400 mp by pretty much doubling their cost..it is not about "buffing" axis, it is about changing the flawed state of the Panzergrenader unit. It is making the unit better for higher cost while being a more viable unit itself. There were like 0 PG squads in this game, you just dont see people use them anymore and I blame the flawed design (worse than wehr standard inf wtf). An elite faction with a shitty main infantry unit is very, very bad design. There is no reason for them to be worse

[CrazyWR]

Yea not gonna lie, the only point in PG's at this point is to deliver Tellers for TH.  Or to hold shreks I guess.  Certainly not to fight anything.  G43 suppression is laughable.  It is really frustrating

[aeroblade56]

stop glossing over the fact that EG was using Luftwaffe infantry and had a 40+ kill IST and a couple 15+ kills wirbelwinds.

[tank130]

stop glossing over the fact that EG was using Luftwaffe infantry and had a 40+ kill IST and a couple 15+ kills wirbelwinds.

Imagine that. Someone using vehicles in a vehicle designed company....... we should get rid of those and add some better infantry. Oh wait, I think that is called Wher.

[CrazyWR]

stop glossing over the fact that EG was using Luftwaffe infantry and had a 40+ kill IST and a couple 15+ kills wirbelwinds.

What I don't really understand is how that has anything to do with the effectiveness of PG's?  Each unit should be able to stand on its own as effective in its role. 

[EliteGren]

Imagine that. Someone using vehicles in a vehicle designed company....... we should get rid of those and add some better infantry. Oh wait, I think that is called Wher.

1) this reasoning is wank. actually adressing previous points made instead of sitting in the back making snide remarks would be helpful. I have yet to receive a useable response from anyone except for Hicks on the issue that is the current state of PGs

2) do you see the irony in your post complaining about Wehr similarity? Guess what, that's what I'm complaining about too, I AGREE with you goddamn it!!one11

After making PGrens a copycat of wehrmacht grenadiers, now the PE stuka was made similar to the wehrmacht stuka by removing its gun. The fuck..I am just saying the PE faction as a whole deserves to have a better infantry unit, because they are an elite faction at the end of it. They were based on one, and them being worse than standard wehrmacht grenadiers makes no sense from any point of view.

I am not just some axis fanboy crying to get my faction buffed, you can not even call this a buff, they deserve an EXPENSIVE, good anti infantry-mainline unit. To save work in figuring out how to do this, I brought forward the point that we have a unit in place, Elite Grenadiers, which stats fit great for this purpose.

stop glossing over the fact that EG was using Luftwaffe infantry and had a 40+ kill IST and a couple 15+ kills wirbelwinds.

3) offtopic? but here we go anyway: it is evident that the IST change you guys made is retarded beyond belief. that's all im gonna say about it. draw your own conclusions based on the evidence

[Hicks58]

EG, you've been bringing up some good and thoughtful points as of late, but your passion is starting to turn unpleasant. I'd rather we continued with the good discussion we've had up this point, and I'm not going to lock the thread yet.

However, if shit gets any more hostile I'll put the padlock on it to prevent things stupidly spiralling out of control - Keep the good discussion going, drop the offensive posture.

Up until it started looking a little sour I was rather enjoying how this thread was panning out. Back on track people.

[EliteGren]

sorry hicks I am just fed up with my points being ignored and then being thrown one liner "arguments" at leisure as if I'm some sort of complete idiot. I will try to keep it more civil. Not that those kind of responses deserve any of it. Even shab and gork brought up better points than what I'm getting here at points.

[tank130]

sorry hicks I am just fed up with my points being ignored and then being thrown one liner "arguments" at leisure as if I'm some sort of complete idiot. I will try to keep it more civil. Not that those kind of responses deserve any of it. Even shab and gork brought up better points than what I'm getting here at points.

Perhaps your points are not being ignored, but just not agreed with. I simply do not fully agree with your points, but to say so will most likely result in you asking for more response or clarification of my stance.

You have brought up good thoughtful points and I do not agree. So we will continue down the path we are headed.

[jackmccrack]

Dude, EG, I griped about the Hotch Stuka not having a gun, then I got hit by it's rockets...

[jackmccrack]

Anyway, this thread is about that Panther so, to keep it on topic, Panda, fuck your Panther.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=24233.0

- Panther accuracy versus infantry from 0.6 to 0.4

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=27893.0

- Panther: Accuracy vs. infantry increased from 0.4 > 0.55

the 0,4 was a shitty panther and 0,55 is too good so make it 0,475
thats balance

[GrayWolf]

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=24233.0
http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=27893.0
the 0,4 was a shitty panther and 0,55 is too good so make it 0,475
thats balance

The key is veterancy I think :p