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TheVolskinator Offline
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« on: April 13, 2017, 06:39:02 pm »

I want everyone to build LV spam companies for tomorrow. I will be spending the day trying to work only on the launcher and patch; I want LV spam from both sides, in all companies, so that we can see if it's the PE AC being slightly...more powerful than you'd expect, or if ALL AI LVs are a little over the top.

Post replays, post complaints, post battle results. And, please, don't bug me to play--I REALLY want to get the patch and launcher done with so you guys will stop bugging me about stuff.
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NightRain Offline
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2017, 02:02:08 am »

M8 spam was cancer when repairs were what they were. Current reason why PE LV is doing so well is because of allied strategy being static. If Allies play with ATG wall and run around the rosey bush with triage centers they will get wrecked by fast hit'n'run vehicles that will shit in their lawn and spread it across it. Static gameplay means fast and mobile will counter it. Hugging ATGs and rifleblobs or a slow ass black princes and or heavy AT like FFs around will do shit against quick and nimble vehicles. It is what counters current allied Meta gameplay. It is no surprise that Anti infantry light vehicles run the game when allies are using nothing but infantry heavy companies with few mediums and tank destroyers. Brits seem to do fine with Boys AT, stuarts and so forth. Nerfing anti infantry abilities of axis light vehicles EIRR style makes them nigh useless then and will severely hammer PE more than it will Wehrmacht whilst boosting US Infantry's obvious superiority (800 manpower to replenish infantry on top of ability to revive them as well, and ap 30 cals?). Even AB has a Quad with "Delete light vehicle" ability which applies to all light vehicles including anti tank ones as well.

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Broken down repair kits giving 3 repairs for LVs so they can self heal and roll across the battlefield at the same time thus becoming quite combat effective. You see Puma 2cm can not do that so they are less effective overall but they get to ignore cover traverses thus maintaining their speed.

Mechanized advance. -15% damage from all sources of small arms, including HHAT.

Quick Response adds +20% more speed making them capable of zooming through and forth

Mobile mechanics and Mechanized advance are what gives the power. 3 repairs on move.

Scout training adds little but it gives ACs ability to see 2.5m more and detect snipers with 7.5m detection. This doctrine is not as good as mobile mechanics and mechanized advance.

For Pumas the only thing they get is in Blitzkrieg 7th Panzer. In short, more speed as they ignore cover grounds and overdrive. with HE-I rounds to potentially decrew a ATG or injure a infantry blob.

Once re-adaptation takes place LVs will no longer be as powerful as they are right now.

I'd need to test Allied LVs but I can say that Stuarts love this meta quite a lot so British have no reason to whine since they have counters. It is up to their players to know what to expect and bring. I mean bren blob with FFs and black princes is not the answer to all problems one has.
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GrayWolf Offline
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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2017, 04:55:07 am »

Luft ACs -> Ultimate anti inf
HEAT Upgun pumas -> Were those tanks I've seen around, or are they all dead now?
Blitzkrieg ostwind
Upgun tetrarchs
HVAP Chaffees -> Look I'm in front of you, now on the back, now you're dead.

And tbh

For AI vehs : ACs > Ostwinds > T17s > 20mm Puma > Staghounds >  M8s
For AT vehs : Tetrarchs > Pumas > Chaffees (if they had treadbreak, they would be above pumas)

PE can support ACs better, cause they're more mobile in overall. While I think ACs can be countered with lots of handheld, what makes them good is support of clowncars and henschel. Whole Luft combo is pretty effective.

Gonna test some shit today, but I'd like to get some action points on my US armor (8 wins, 9 loses), Mandos (11 wins, 3 loses), Blitzkrieg (2 wins, 1 lost).
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ItsDouggernaut Offline
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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2017, 05:45:31 am »

Could I get action points on my UK armour 0:1 plz and I'll do the same
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chefarzt Offline
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2017, 06:55:05 am »

Doh, make the launcher foolproof plz. Stuck at -50 pps, and, who wouldve thought of it, no way to revert it.
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chefarzt Offline
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2017, 07:00:24 am »

And ,in gods name , get rid of nerdy Weapon descriptions. Who the fuck knows what a m1919 lmg is?
Yeah Volski, looking at you.
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GrayWolf Offline
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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2017, 07:35:36 am »

But these names are nice Sad
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TheVolskinator Offline
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2017, 08:00:47 am »

shitheaded reply
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GrayWolf Offline
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2017, 08:16:26 am »

ACs got rekt by zooks spam with 1 ATG xd
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Tachibana Offline
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2017, 08:35:28 am »

Learn to google

Thats a really, really shitty attitude to have from the person who is functionally in control of game design.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2017, 09:09:32 am »

functionally in control of game design.

that hurts lothen.
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You are welcome to your opinion.

You are also welcome to be wrong.
chefarzt Offline
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2017, 10:50:34 am »

I wont google the launcher. Git gud @ describing!
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chefarzt Offline
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2017, 10:53:21 am »

Btw, does google have stats for mlg191091876 Ap HvapN4z1GuN?
 
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tank130 Offline
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2017, 02:49:06 pm »

Learn to google cheesefarts, I will not make things dumb for the masses. Educate yourself.


That is a bullshit attitude and deserves a slap up side the head. You are the only realism nerd who wants this shit all called by it technical name.

It is a video game Volks, not your personal brag box about your knowledge of history and equipment. Forcing players to google the meaning of a term in the launcher is about the stupidest thing I have seen in this mod yet.
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TheVolskinator Offline
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2017, 04:22:27 pm »

Problem rectified. In-game text will be updated accordingly.
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Tachibana Offline
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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2017, 04:54:48 pm »

To preempt classic volsk overreaction. I don't mind if you put something like m1919 whatever the fuck there, but atleast put a laymans note in parenthesis next to it.

M1919 30 calibre etc/etc (Marine LMG)
M16 Multiple gun motor carrage (Quad Halftrack)


So you can get the flavor while still being able to get the jist of it at a quick glance. Much better response than "google it you pleb"(paraphrasing)
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TheVolskinator Offline
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2017, 06:54:59 pm »

To reduce the strain on the launcher, I'm going with shorthand only.
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hans Offline
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2017, 07:03:40 am »

Good that we discuss names rather than the actually topic. LV Spam
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Also, bad analogy ground, My vegetables never pissed on my ego when I decided they defeated me and gave up on dessert.
hans Offline
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2017, 09:18:52 am »

here is a replay with m8 spam
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CrazyWR Offline
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2017, 10:53:49 am »

I have an armor company with 6 m8s...they are  fun, but i certainly wouldn't call them OP.  The cost to kit them out is prohibitive enough to make them about right.

That being said, I'm not the best LV player around, so maybe someone with better micro will get a different opinion.
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