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Lolto Offline
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« Reply #60 on: August 27, 2008, 02:33:56 am »

Yay, mod development!

I nominate Salan, Kolath and Stumpster.
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« Reply #61 on: August 27, 2008, 02:47:06 am »

I'd also nominate Lai, he's been on the balance team as long as me, probably even longer. (got on later but stayed on it longer when the balance team was erased). No offense of course but now that I think more about it I'd even put him above Salan because of this and his amazing understanding of game mechanics. But since he pretty much quit EIR I doubt he'd be up for balancing so eh... Smiley. Like I said, even if Salan wasn't popular, he'd still get my vote.

In addition, someone on the balance team generally needs to be a strong player that plays both sides extensively. A vCOH automatch background is generally very welcome too.
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« Reply #62 on: August 27, 2008, 03:57:34 am »

voting for Salan.
Just because he's Salan Smiley.
Not really sure who else tho. Maybe Kolath and Stumpster too...
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« Reply #63 on: August 27, 2008, 04:37:21 am »

i think we should have list of people who are up and who have time for and make our votes
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« Reply #64 on: August 27, 2008, 05:41:31 am »

Voting for Salan ofc. ^^
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« Reply #65 on: August 27, 2008, 07:36:06 am »

My money's on Sumpster, too.
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« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2008, 07:41:16 am »

I obviously vote for myself since i am the onlyone here how has a clue about balance ;P
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« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2008, 07:54:20 am »

My initial want would be to find people that have the time to do the task, as well as those I think would be good at it.  I'm not impartial though, I have my favorite community members as does everyone else...

Could we keep this post active for community feedback and create another with only posts from people who are interested in the position?
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« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2008, 08:33:15 am »

I don't see why not.
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« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2008, 10:28:23 am »

Well I vote for Salan simply because he can hold up to the pressure of having a community getting on his back which is a lot of stress to have to endure.

I think right now since its rather differcult for the community to agree on who would be the right people for the job etc that FL- should just give Salan access to it and than Salan can form his own team under himself for some more private balance talk with of course a public area for people to express their idea's in as well. This way we have 1 person who we all know and trust and can make changes as needed. We only really need 1 person for this job not 3 since changes wouldn't be that common.

This i think would be about one of the best options to go with and Salan has already worked with a lot of people and knows who works, and who plays and how to tell the 2 apart.

but thats just my 5cents.
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« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2008, 11:00:52 am »

You need more than 1 person to balance a game, balance mishaps with Ucross back when he was on his own again have proven that. Multiple people allows for multiple perspectives, possible compromises and a more steady balancing progress. It's ideal though that 1 person, preferably someone pragmatic i.e Salan makes the absolute final calls in regards to Balance based on the discussion & conclusions that took place between all 3 members.
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« Reply #71 on: August 27, 2008, 12:02:13 pm »

I'd say anyone who can be trusted and knows what they're doing...
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« Reply #72 on: August 27, 2008, 12:02:29 pm »

If u reread what i said u would note that i meantion that Salan should be given access so he can make the changes. I agree that we would need more than 1 person for working out balance but for putting the updates in and all that you really only need 1 person for that atleast right now anyways.
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« Reply #73 on: August 27, 2008, 12:13:25 pm »

Salan, this is nothing more than a popularity contest. We all know your going to end up being one of those those 2-3 guys anyway.

in all honesty i hope its not akranadas.

I think as far as *I* personally go I have proven enough times that I take testing and balance very serious.  I go to almost unseen ends to test if things are feasable and will even counter argue my own arguments when I am shown to be wrong.  Those are the reasons I would hope I am thought of as capable, amongst others like them.

and they are the only reason anyone should be thought of rather then 'we like you'  ...  which I don't get from most of the people posting my name, from the way they are posted it is usually stated with confidence in my ability to either think beyond myself or the trust which I have built in the relationships themselves;  not because they simply like me.
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« Reply #74 on: August 27, 2008, 12:18:16 pm »

I'd help Out.  If nothing Else its  away to nerf some of the "Questionable Tactics People can pull with some things. 

I think the game is overall balenced.  Just needs some tweaks.  I could test out things for ya and show you some of the things i can think of.  Perhaps elimating the fuss about alot of "BS" tactics.
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Draygon Offline
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« Reply #75 on: August 27, 2008, 12:38:40 pm »

Unless there is availability there will always be "bs tactics."  I have plenty of experience with MySQL and PhP to assist here, with EiR in mind--nothing else.

I have plenty of time to do so as well.

As Salan posted above, he is very good at what he does, even arguing with himself at times just to see the other side, and make sure things are done right.
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« Reply #76 on: August 27, 2008, 01:13:50 pm »

I've tried to keep my nomination views out of it, I have stated that commandernewbie and stumpster are both very logical balance minded individuals,  and have stuck up for unknowns ability to actually be a great team member while still kinda poking a stick at his gameplay (only out of love.. Wink )

but I think I would like to clarify the people I have seen listed preivously in this thread, if i miss someone, sorry.

stumpster.  Stumpster is going to college in a tiny bit, his life will change and he may or may not have as much time to put into this project.  I believe that his dedication and addiction to the finer points of life (eir) would see him through that change.  As a balancer Stumpster has been my right hand in so many tests, for so many dedicated hours.  We have run absolutely every test we could ever come up with, from either side of the coin in so many ways.   All I ever had to do was say, hey nathan come help me test this out.  And he'd put in the time and effort to see if it was unbalanced or working correctly like I assumed.   Afterwards we would make intelligent well thought out reports to the community.   Stumpster also did this a lot on his own, and has always been around and part of the community for the last year and a half.   He was part of the dev team, and without speaking for him on his views of that experience, I believe he was chosen for that position for a very good reason.

Unknown.  I do agree with the majority of peoples assumptions about unknowns 'player mindset' at times.  But I have seen a much broader and deeper side of unknown then the majority have ever witnessed and I know the desire and drive is deep within him to see EIR continue to be the best mod in existence.   To this end, unknown DOES play both sides of the game, he does look at the theories and does craft as good if not better then most of us.  He has a bit of a ruff edge with people who misunderstand him, and he is repeatably misunderstood.  Which I still don't completely understand all the time.   He also understands the game extremely well, and understands the balance issues that are currently there, or will usually concede them either way Wink  I believe unknown will be starting kindergarten this year, while the schooling will be lax on homework it will mean he has to go to bed earlier.  He is also a European so I am sure the wine he gets at dinner will make him groggy, but there is always a warm Belgium waffle waiting on the breakfast table to keep him going through the day! (in all honesty I don't know exactly what he will be doing over the next few months)

Gamerandy. Andy can be a prick, people always say that, and I guess it is kinda true in certain circumstances.  But from what I have seen on a more professional level, andy is good to work with in a team.  Like most of us we need our guidelines and boundaries and I think when they are present andy can do some amazing work, working with andy and unknown on tls was an interesting treat!  Ultimately the two war heads with me in the middle mediating it, as andy or unknown had said.  It worked well, there were no real arguments, there were no grudges or held anger.  We got 3 different opinions and formed 1 out of it, and did the job.  Andy grasps the balance of the game very well, he is a solid player, and I think could work within dash's guidelines well.  Andy's current life situation won't change.  He is almost as old as myself, aww, and well set in life.  Time to burn and desire to burn it!

Lai.  Lai was always the quiet dev team member, well so was stumpster, but lai takes it to another level.  Thats not such a bad thing though, as every team needs a good mix of personalities to have true balance in itself.  Lai was also the only dev member to be publicly active over the last while, phil has been active when requested to be, but not so publicly.  Lai understands the game, was probably one of the best players we had in the community and was one of the more aggressive play styles.   Lai does have a bit of a desire to win more then just enjoying the game, yet I have never personally seen him make any decisions or have any discussions based solely on his play experiences and not those of logical thought.  I don't know Lai's current life schedual, for some reason I remember he is going to medical school soon and needed to step back from gaming to allow for that to take over.

CommanderNewbie.  Newbie was another player that I would hold in most of the same spot light as stumpster.  Newbie has a lot more of an abrasive attitude then stumpster ever could, but he is one of the other few members of the community who repeatedly tried to prove non-partial conversations and would even argue against his own play style if need be.
There are very few 'players' who are able to detach themselves to make impartial comparisons, and newbie would be one of them in my books.


Kolath. I would honestly have called Kolath my advisor for the TLS campaign.  He is mature, well aged (for a semiyounging) and very well spoken.  He has put time in to test when asked, unquestioningly.  He knows the basis of the game and how it works and has been tirelessly active in the community more in a mapping manner then anything else.  Kolath has never truly come off as a balance thinker, but he has never come off as not either.   I personally have unlimited respect for kolath and think that he would be a great team member on any development team by how he thinks and how he acts towards that which he is doing.  Not afraid to share his opinion or to keep things on track.  I believe Kolath is well set in his occupation and his current activity levels will probably not change.

Akranadas. Akranadas was mentioned as a potential member, by akranadas.  I understand where Ak is coming from.  I have seen it in many members, and probably even slightly in myself, to a lesser degree.  Akranadas has gotten a lot of gruff from this community and he has set himself up to be an outsider in the one thing that he still loves, even if he was trying very hard not to admit it.  On a balance side of things Akranadas is very capable and understanding.  On a team side of things I have never seen him be a bad team member.  On a community side of things akranadas gave tirelessly and endlessly.  He did become discouraged and angered when all his hard work was basically ignored with the dev team falling apart, and being left to police a community that was for the most part ungrateful at the time.  Ak, if this is honestly something you want to be taken serious about, you need to please remember WHY people might say the things they have said in this thread, and simply accept that fact and keep trying to show the reason why you should be taken seriously and not fall to a lower level.  I personally respect akranadas a lot, I think given the opportunity he would be a very functional balance member. 

Chaos, Pengu? I really don't know what to say about those nominations.  Chaos is a fantastic person to get to know, I taught the guy everything he knows, almost litterly, but not so much.  Pengu is as well once you get to know him some.  Balance perceptives?  I'm not sure. I don't think anyone should be discredited simply because they are either newer or non vocal about things, and I have seen them both play a lot.  But my opinion is that they are good people, good players.  I don't know how to judge them for being part of a team responsible for the trust and integrity of balancing a mod because I have never seen a situation with them come up.

I think i touched on the majority of the names spoken earlier.

I think a few other names could be mentioned...

Dasnoob.  Das is usually a late night Pacific member of the community, he has a solid life, with a wife and an expensive dog, put it down .. do it! (she won't mind, really)  Dasnoob understands the game, understands the thoughts that go into it, and is more then capable of handling an indepth thought out coversation based on facts and situations rather then his own miserable play skills ... ( heh! )  In all honesty noob is a solid player as well.

Nevyen always had interesting balance ideas and input.  As well as a more mature mindset that goes with the territory.  He is well established in life with a wife and house and all the responsibilities of populating the Australian coast.  He has come and gone from the community in frusteration as have many before and after him, but he stays true to the idea of balance and continuance.  would he be a good choice for this team?  I don't know to be honest, thats up to him to decide if he would even want to be part of it.  I simply mention him because he was always one of the ones most interested in looking beyond themselves and at the game mechanics.  He was one of the few community members that stood with me when dash introduced off map retreats.  The ability to look beyond the comfort zone and expand your vision beyond what is there in front of you is a very important tool for the future of any mod, because by definition alone, a mod expands on what you already have, and changes it.

Ampm, if it wasn't for his inflated self ego, and lack of ability to look at things that don't benefit his play style, his ability to hold a technical and sophisticated conversation would have probably earned him top points for this team... I only mention him because while we all might have skills to make a balance discussion and team work, we might have other attributes that almost instantly remove us from the ability to make the team actually work as well, perceivably.

there are others I am sure who want to be mentioned, but I am not going to do a write up about for one or more reasons... Cozmo and Draygon are the ones that come to mind the most with their pre-learned skill sets.

I would mention why I feel I would be a good choice, but I summed it up very clearly for the main points when I responded to akranadas's post.

I think as far as *I* personally go I have proven enough times that I take testing and balance very serious.  I go to almost unseen ends to test if things are feasable and will even counter argue my own arguments when I am shown to be wrong.  Those are the reasons I would hope I am thought of as capable, amongst others like them.

I know that my time frame will not be changing, I am well established and will continue to be part of this community if I am chosen by dash or not.  I believe that my ability to represent the community as well as think impartially makes me ideal for a balance position and yes, I do very much want to work on this mod and continue it in dash's vision and restrictions, and hopefully one day see him return!



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Akranadas shows the truth of this community with his posts.  The desire to continue, the desire to progress, the desire to not die in a stagnated place where everyone has forsworn progress.  This community was born through dash's and ucross's hard work ( there were others, I'm simply going to refer to them for now ).  And as a community this mod has been blessed with support, and even anger at times.  we might not all get along all the time, and the majority of us can act out as if this was real life.  But when you integrate so closely into anything, you have to allow for behaviors, and get past those incidents.   This is about the future, I think its time to let the past be the past, and continue to move on.


remember this is phase 1, pricing.  Its about building trust and proving you can keep within the confines presented to you as well as representing the mod in an impartial manner.   Its not about getting big dreams and going past what is set out before you.  Dash has indicated he is interested in building from the ground up, and will do so in incremental stages if at all.

oh, and I like to write long detailed messages. Wink 

(at least this one is compartmentalized, you can read the write up about the individual or skip it at your leisure.)

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« Reply #77 on: August 27, 2008, 01:55:39 pm »

Like the man says....


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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2008, 02:25:28 pm »

Wow that's one of the longest posts I've ever seen Salan make in quite some time :p.
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« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2008, 03:31:59 pm »


Akranadas is correct, this is a popularity contest. But Salan has more or less earned his popularity, and he is a more senior member than most.

I would urge people to base their additional choices on experience, seniority, and most importantly commitment. Frankly Akranadas has been one of the most staunch advocates of this mod for the longest time, and he has been fully committed to both keeping it alive, keeping the forums and ventrilo civil, and providing insight where necessary.

Akranadas is definitely a choice worth considering for access to those files.


----- SALAN EDITED:

While everyone here can have their opinion this thread is not here to start a flame war,  I will leave this post, but I will be moderating any further attacks on anyone else.  Constructiveness people.

sorry for butchering your post skunker, i left the parts that were not attacks.
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