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[CommanderNewbie]

Volks are pretty much on par with the riflemen until BARs come along.  Playing a game of first tier vanilla COH should teach people that.

[PPLA]

Volks are pretty much on par with the riflemen until BARs come along.  Playing a game of first tier vanilla COH should teach people that.

Right there you have the problem vols are supposed to be mailitia.  There not as well equiped or trained as normal grens or riflemen the  Volksgrenediers divisions where only formed only in 1944-1945 as a last resort.  The only reason they preformed decently is beacuse of the vettren officers and noncoms in there ranks.  they were never meant to be front line troop.  Grenederes and other infantry where germany's main line troops before 1944 so anyone who says volks are to expensive should stop complaining becuse they are good as they are now

[PPLA]

Volks are pretty much on par with the riflemen until BARs come along.  Playing a game of first tier vanilla COH should teach people that.

Right there you have the problem vols are supposed to be mailitia.  There not as well equiped or trained as normal grens or riflemen the  Volksgrenediers divisions where only formed only in 1944-1945 as a last resort.  The only reason they preformed decently is beacuse of the vettren officers and noncoms in there ranks.  they were never meant to be front line troops.  Grenederes and other infantry where germany's main line troops before 1944 so anyone who says volks are to expensive should stop complaining becuse they are good as they are now

[Mysthalin]

PPLA... that was a load of bull.
Yes, they are weak, but noone's questioning that. We're questioning the fact they cost TOO MUCH FOR THEIR STRENGTH.
Do not bring "realism" into this, because it's INVALID, as we're discussing balance.
At this point, BALANCE > REALISM, get that into your head, allright?
Commander Newbie, we've never said that volks are much worse than riflemen in a vCoH match, they do loose out in EiR situations.

[Thtb]

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[PPLA]

PPLA... that was a load of bull.
Yes, they are weak, but noone's questioning that. We're questioning the fact they cost TOO MUCH FOR THEIR STRENGTH.
Do not bring "realism" into this, because it's INVALID, as we're discussing balance.
At this point, BALANCE > REALISM, get that into your head, allright?
Commander Newbie, we've never said that volks are much worse than riflemen in a vCoH match, they do loose out in EiR situations.

you are looking at volks the wrong way. they are not fron line infantry yes they may be weaker in EIR but not that much weaker.  volks squads can do significant damge to rifle's  especially if they biuld sand bags for cover.   Plus you have a realtively cheap upgrade mp40's that allow them to slaughter rifles plus if you support your volks with just about anything they can beat rifles

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[Thtb]

Explains a lot, too.

[CommanderNewbie]

Commander Newbie, we've never said that volks are much worse than riflemen in a vCoH match, they do loose out in EiR situations.

It seems to me that people are complaining about the cost of volks relative to the cost of vanilla riflemen.  That's no different from a T1 vCoH match.

[Killer344]

It´s different in EIR :p.

[CommanderNewbie]

EIR doesn't change any of the unit stats.

[Mysthalin]

EIR doesn't change any of the unit stats.

Yeah, it doesn't change the stats, but changes the way units are used on the whole.
Volks are overpriced for what they do, if they're but militia, make them cost like militia! Cheap!

[PPLA]

EIR doesn't change any of the unit stats.

Yeah, it doesn't change the stats, but changes the way units are used on the whole.
Volks are overpriced for what they do, if they're but militia, make them cost like militia! Cheap!

Oh now u bring in the militia agrument after saying history isnt the point of EIR 

[Jelly-Boy]

Volks and rifle prices imo, are about right. We've already gone through the event of late game infantry spam, and both suck.

[CommanderNewbie]

Yeah, it doesn't change the stats, but changes the way units are used on the whole.
Volks are overpriced for what they do, if they're but militia, make them cost like militia! Cheap!

That's a crappy argument.

[Thtb]

We saw a lot of those lately.

[Unkn0wn]

You had your fair share .

[Thtb]

Well I have to qoute since people like ppla dont read more then 1 post.

[UnLimiTeD5]

In turn you only bother to read the first half of every one.

[Mysthalin]

Commander Newbie, seeing as you give no base or anything to your statement, I'm just going to ignore you on this.
Seriously, the riflemen "defenders" have been whining with no solid base or arguments, other than "they're millitia, they're supposed to suck"(and when I say then make them cost like militia it becomes a crappy argument).
I did bring out that history isn't the point of EiR, but balance is, and for what volks do, they're not worth the cost.
If both rifles and volks suck and are only good to be used as recrewing meat, why should the axis pay 117 manpower when allies are paying 100?
We're not asking for a 170 cost on volks, we agreed that's too little, we're asking for 180, which is hardly too much. If volks are "good" at what they do and "worth" it, please explain why there are none left in games? volks have become much rarer than P4s or Ostwinds(and these beauties aren't all that easily encounterable any more either...).
I remind you I'm an allied player, most of the time, so I'm not being biased. Seem the rest of you are.