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[Draken]

U could change the thread question to "Do u wanna pay higher taxes?"

Ofcourse people will say no, like allies players are against lowering the volks price.

Now u changed them to most useless unit in the game. And if u recrew something with volks with mp40 u make them useless, without mp40s even engies will kill them. Only with faust there is sense to keep them in the battlefield. If u recrew with rifles u got still 3 of them left, if u got bar u can still surpress if u got stickies, its even better to micro them and hide behind something. And u can stil recrew with 3 people, and increase support weapon survivorship.

[UnLimiTeD5]

I'm Axis, I voted NO.
Maybe a more realistic value like 180 or 185 might attact more people?

[Draken]

I agree values are wrong but after reading your posts it looks like that you think that volks price is ok.

[Prydefalcn]

We're not asking for a 170 cost on volks, we agreed that's too little, we're asking for 180, which is hardly too much. If volks are "good" at what they do and "worth" it, please explain why there are none left in games? volks have become much rarer than P4s or Ostwinds(and these beauties aren't all that easily encounterable any more either...).
I remind you I'm an allied player, most of the time, so I'm not being biased. Seem the rest of you are.

Watch the abbeville replay I posted yesterday.  Here, I'll link it for you.  There are more vet volks than you can count, from the highest (at the time) XP company in EIR.  Extrapolating from that, I'd say that you're bullshitting everyone when you say that there are no volks left in games.  Hell, I'm still using volks as my non-shreck infantry.

http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php/topic,6671.msg120295.html#msg120295

I was saying that your argument was pretty crappy because it consisted of "They're militia!  They're supposed to be cheap!" which doesn't really mean anything in terms of CoH because I already established its a matter of unit stats.  They stack up well with vanilla riflemen in terms of combat power, which is why they cost roughly the same (volks are a little cheaper)

Your militia argument is about as relevent as me saying that engineers should be more expensive because they can build bridges, a complex task that shouldn't be taken lightly.

[UnLimiTeD5]

I think the arguments used for prooving volks are too expensive are faulty.
I do not agree with their current price.

[PPLA]

Mysthalin: the reason that axis have stopped using Vols are because grens are better and that how it should be and the statement that there are no more volks used is not true over all iv seen plenty of vols in my games

[Mysthalin_Axis]

Who uses volks other than "I want the HMG callin, so volks are there to push it up to 8 popcap" or just funny attempts at "loltastic" companies. It's the only two reasons why volks are still used - to add them to support weapons to be able to call them on, or for gimmicks. Neither of which their price can be deemd satisfactory.

PrydeFalcn, I was responding to the person who had said "volks are supposed to suck 'cause they're militia, and were formed in 1944-1945" if it wasn't that obvious to you.

And yes PPLA, people stopped using volks cause grens ARE better, and it IS supposed to be like that, but, hey, let's make riflemen cost 300 manpower and airborne cost 200. They'll be more cost-effective and better then, especially if we make RRs cost 50 munitions(there's vet 2 armor skirts, RRs should be taken down in price!).
People did use volks a WHOLE lot more before, and saying "now they use grens" is not at all valid. I want to see you use your double-shrek better-than-volks grens recrewing HMGs.

[salan]

Who uses volks other than "I want the HMG callin, so volks are there to push it up to 8 popcap" or just funny attempts at "loltastic" companies. It's the only two reasons why volks are still used -

please, how many logical laws of arguing did you just break with that statement?  People pick volks for different reasons, I use them EXTENSIVELY in my companies because I like their versatility more then I like grenadiers.

PrydeFalcn, I was responding to the person who had said "volks are supposed to suck 'cause they're militia, and were formed in 1944-1945" if it wasn't that obvious to you.

the whole real life arguments are kinda lame, specially in a game where we see pershings in WW2.

people stopped using volks cause grens ARE better

most of those people would never STOP using them because of this, because most of those who used grens generally used them before any price changes.

People did use volks a WHOLE lot more before, and saying "now they use grens" is not at all valid. I want to see you use your double-shrek better-than-volks grens recrewing HMGs.

Perhaps that in itself is also a reason why the germans should not have a super cheap infantry. 

I would say that the low volks price was a very active factor on why the axis were imbalanced previously. 
Are they a TAD bit to high?  perhaps.

[Thtb]

Allies:: 1722 Territories
Axis:: 1278 Territories

A tad.

[salan]

not really, thats only 222 captured.

seeing 100-200 can change in a day..

[Thtb]

Meh, all the balance threads have been discuessed to death by now anyway.

EIRRmod needs to act one of these days months.....

[Meisterjager]

It'll be really, very soon!

[Thtb]

It'll be really, very soon!

or not !  ^^

[salan]

I think its a good thing that there are balance discussions going on, its good to talk about the mod.  And majority of all these discussions are based on peoples desired play style vrs an almost equal number of reasonable arguments against it.

mm balance in the balance discussions .. he he!

[Bodybag2224-Armor]

My definition of balance: Equal amounts of bitching from both sides.

[ChevalierNoir]

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[Schultz]

A 5 cost change of volks to riflemen is retarded :p
And this not because the volks suck compaired to rifles but because you dont take in notice that the people that will chose to spam rifles will go for infantry cost reduction doc abilities. Do the math, how will a rifle cost then based on 200 current price.
So whatever this is all pointless.
And even salan cut on the additional 2k manpower, just wait and see what happens with 60+ rbs.


P.S what do you expect on a volks vs rifles game. 
AmPm kept saying and saying this, suppress with bar, throw nade in bb volks.

[UnLimiTeD5]

Assault!

[Thtb]

Assault!

Not useable, useing banned. ....

[salan]

so needs to be fixed:(