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« Reply #40 on: March 02, 2011, 02:03:41 pm » |
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An up-gun sherman is still around 50% better vs most tanks than the TR jumbo.
so a upgun sherman with that t4 with armor is pretty useful probably ? |
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Hicks58
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« Reply #41 on: March 02, 2011, 02:09:35 pm » |
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76mm Sherman against Panther is 0.365 penetration. With HVAP that knocks up to 0.48545 upon adding 33%.
Against a Tiger it goes from 0.451 up to 0.59983.
So, against a Panther, your still pretty much buggered. Against a Tiger, you've got a reasonable chance of penetration, but the Tiger will still cut you to ribbons.
A pair of Shermans against a Tiger though... That might be going places with HVAP. Maybe.
EDIT:
Interesting note, penetration against Stugs goes from 0.646 up to 0.85918 making the 76mm HVAP an effective Stug hunter.
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I mean I know Obama was the first one in EiR to get a card. and tbfh the Race card is pretty OP. but Romney has the K.K.K., those guys seem to camo anywhere. So OP units from both sides.
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| Mgallun74
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« Reply #42 on: March 02, 2011, 02:12:28 pm » |
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76mm Sherman against Panther is 0.365 penetration. With HVAP that knocks up to 0.48545 upon adding 33%.
Against a Tiger it goes from 0.451 up to 0.59983.
So, against a Panther, your still pretty much buggered. Against a Tiger, you've got a reasonable chance of penetration, but the Tiger will still cut you to ribbons.
A pair of Shermans against a Tiger though... That might be going places with HVAP. Maybe.
is that math correct? i thought it would just add 33percent onto the already 36 percent giving roughly 70 percent penetration chance? so its 33 percent of 36 percent? uggh.. lol. well, if you get them to vet3 they would work a bit more too |
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« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2011, 11:15:20 pm » |
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man give the allies a strong unit and axis players go bezerk. IF they cant go toe to toe with it, its OP?
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Demon767
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« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2011, 05:28:13 am » |
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man give the allies a strong unit and axis players go bezerk. IF they cant go toe to toe with it, its OP?
shutup you. |
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« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2011, 06:42:59 am » |
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man give the allies a strong unit and axis players go bezerk. IF they cant go toe to toe with it, its OP?
No its if they cant find a easy counter to it or use an old tactic its op. |
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« Reply #47 on: April 03, 2011, 08:39:18 am » |
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considering the Jumo range and slow speed... a panther could beat it just by distence alone...
I have seen jumps used and playedagainst them, You have to flank it, ITs liek playing a Tiger or a KT without less health and worse armor.
Go for the front and your an idiot..
The ironic part i rember reading posts about dual tiger companies alot of these same posters saing l2p vs the tiger and do this or that, Ironic how the Jumbo is getting argued with instead of their L2P arguments...
The ironey is thick young padwon.
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Puddin' spamtmi cant really blame smokaz i mean playing against puddin is like trying to fight off breast cancer. You might win and do it and be a bad ass but you'll feel sick and mutilated forever.
Puddin' spamtm is soulcrushing... what's hard to understand about that?
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« Reply #48 on: April 03, 2011, 05:06:55 pm » |
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I can say for a fact that Jumbos are pretty good, but not exactly a game breaker. Just be glad they didn't decide to put it in Armor Company so it can reap the benefits of that.
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« Reply #49 on: April 03, 2011, 05:57:56 pm » |
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i just go my hands on the jumbo. Meh good to beat on inf with. And now i got TR. So maybe they can blow something up. Only chance american armor has is to hit german armor in the rear. but jumbo is slowwww.
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« Reply #50 on: April 03, 2011, 11:29:34 pm » |
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in my axis coys i have no issues vs jumbo's tbh, especially since i've played with them. They dont have huge splash like tigers and king tigers, dont have excellent speed like panthers and jagds, and dont have their longer range either. The only thing they really have is a free 50 cal, strong front armor and 100 more health than a normal sherman. I got one of these into a bad situation today and it got completely raped in no time by a couple of schrecks and 2 paks and it melted just as fast as any sherman would.
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« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2011, 11:54:30 pm » |
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2 57's and couple of schrecks would even melt tiger while we are at it...
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« Reply #52 on: April 04, 2011, 12:14:10 am » |
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2 57's and couple of schrecks would even melt tiger while we are at it...
736 health vs 1064 health. a jumbo goes down faster. |
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« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2011, 12:18:00 am » |
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Tiger goes faster,since jumbo will bounce 38 quite a bit,but Tiger wont bounce AP rounds ...heck,Jumbo even bounces Jagd shots well...
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« Reply #54 on: April 04, 2011, 12:20:50 am » |
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Jumbo has better frontal armor than the Tiger, and it don't have to worry about stickies, AP rounds and PIATS RRs etc , realy something is WRONG here.
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« Reply #55 on: April 04, 2011, 12:22:49 am » |
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to put that into numbers
the at57mm got 145% of the basic penetration vs a tiger compared to pak50 vs a jumbo
if you add ap rounds its 730% better penetration vs the tiger compared to pak50 vs jumbo
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« Reply #56 on: April 04, 2011, 12:23:13 am » |
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« Reply #57 on: April 04, 2011, 01:18:54 am » |
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seriously, do you guys wait until I post and then jump into a thread with boners in your pants cuz i can't seem to get away from you without you trolling my threads. All I did was state something that happened, not theory crafting.
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« Reply #58 on: April 04, 2011, 01:26:50 am » |
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seriously, do you guys wait until I post and then jump into a thread with boners in your pants cuz i can't seem to get away from you without you trolling my threads. All I did was state something that happened, not theory crafting.
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« Reply #59 on: April 04, 2011, 01:31:52 am » |
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get a life then.
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