Axis vs Allied Sniper

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[CommieKiller]

mando doc denies all camoed units

[RikiRude]

Axis sniper doesn't have to worry about armies of sprinting PE troops either

though same could be said of fire up rangers or ab.

[Tymathee]

sprinting > fire up

[smurfORnot]

sprinting > fire up

then I am sure we can all change PE sprint for fireup and give ab and rangers sprint?!
I am sure that axis wont complain about that,and allies have nothing to complain since they will get better thing!
problem solved 

[WildZontar]

Their freaking snipers, I would assume people wouldn't have to argue about how one One Shot Kill unit it better than an almost identical One Shot kill unit.

[Tymathee]

then I am sure we can all change PE sprint for fireup and give ab and rangers sprint?!
I am sure that axis wont complain about that,and allies have nothing to complain since they will get better thing!
problem solved 

yeah actually, i wouldn't mind.

Sprint = shorter cooldown, no exhaustion

you use sprint to chase stuff, fireup to get out of trouble. Plus, axis have fire up, it's called "Assault" and it's stronger than Fireup.

[RikiRude]

You guys totally misread what I said.

He said at least axis snipers don't have to worry about sprinting PE units.

And what you misinterpreted was at least US snipers don't have to worry about getting chased down by fire up units, nullifying spartens comment.

[Tymathee]

You guys totally misread what I said.

He said at least axis snipers don't have to worry about sprinting PE units.

And what you misinterpreted was at least US snipers don't have to worry about getting chased down by fire up units, nullifying spartens comment.

o, well yeah i missed that and axis snipers dont have to worry about funkwagons.

[Killer344]

then I am sure we can all change PE sprint for fireup and give ab and rangers sprint?!
I am sure that axis wont complain about that,and allies have nothing to complain since they will get better thing!
problem solved  

It would be the most retarded change ever done, and everyone on both sides would complain. Fire-Up is more usefull on allieds squads because the axis have better and more supression platforms, and sprint works better for the axis because the allies have fewer weapons that can supress squads (if you sprint before getting supressed you are not likely to get suppressed).... if you give fire up to axis the only thing you'll get is a huge nerf when the effect ends.

[smurfORnot]

I wouldnt complain about fire up on falls at all 


fewer weapon that can supress squads ? each rifle squad can potentially supress whole blob of axis troops..
axis only have mg42 which is main suppresion unit...dunno what else is all that scary in axis arsenal in termes of supression?

[Spartan_Marine88]

I wouldnt complain about fire up on falls at all 


fewer weapon that can supress squads ? each rifle squad can potentially supress whole blob of axis troops..
axis only have mg42 which is main suppresion unit...dunno what else is all that scary in axis arsenal in termes of supression?

Nebel used properly before an attack leaving an entire army pinned

support grens

support grens in a clown car

Scout car Lockdown

StuG/StuH MG

[Tymathee]

I wouldnt complain about fire up on falls at all  


fewer weapon that can supress squads ? each rifle squad can potentially supress whole blob of axis troops..
axis only have mg42 which is main suppresion unit...dunno what else is all that scary in axis arsenal in termes of supression?

these are all units which have similar or better suppression than the allies .30 cal.

2x lmg
wm ht
stug/h hmg
iht
mg36
pe mg42
mg42
support grens
scout car with mg42 upgrade

[smurfORnot]

US mg
brit mg
comando mg
ab mg
bar
50 cal on tanks
strafe
tank shock
50 cal on stag and m3 perhaps?

oh yes,and whole bunch of allied arty supresses troops when starts to land around them...

[Tymathee]

US mg
brit mg
comando mg
ab mg
bar
50 cal on tanks
strafe
tank shock
50 cal on stag and m3 perhaps?

oh yes,and whole bunch of allied arty supresses troops when starts to land around them...

i said better than .30 cal and the us mg is the .30 cal, brit mg without suppression sux, same as commando,b oth have lower rates than the .30 cal, ab mg iis the .30 cal. Bar without suppression fire is low suppression. did u notice i mentioned no units in my list that used abilities?

.50 cal on tanks, lower than 30 cal, strafe = off map, tank shock = ability, 50 on stag and m3 is same suppression as .50 cal on tank but with a bit higher accuracy.

so, axis have way more units that have constant higher suppression rates and the allies have 1 time click suppression that have cooldowns, huge difference. i'll take an mg42 over a .30 cal any day, i'm tired of axis troops running up through .30 cal fire and tossing nades, only way to do that on allies is fire up and thats only 2 units and heroic charge but then u get torn up by the mg42's higher accuracy and damage than the .30 cal (look it up, it's a better overall hmg in every sense, the reason the .30 cal does more damage is because when a target is suppressed, it takes less damage for i think 30 seconds, after that it's toast.

[NightRain]

30 cals are only 20 muns, its a bargain everyone loves. If it doesn't suppress it gives that damage and has higher accuracy too. It kills. It REALLY KILLS instead of suppression. MG42 doesn't kill at all unless enemy is right next to it

[smurfORnot]

you can say how .30 cal has bad supression,but it always supressed my falls in 1 or MAX 2 bursts,so it's not bad at all,and not to mention how fast it kills em even with their health buffs...
and there is no way that 42 has lower dmg than .30,since .30 kills much better...buy ap rounds,and u can even kill light vehiachles

[Hicks58]

Any MG will suppress any infantry with the exception of KCH and Officers, in a maximum of two bursts. However, the MG42 can suppress most if not all Allied infantry on the first burst. Most Axis infantry require the second burst, including Falls.

Waiting for that second burst is enough time to run away unless your being opened up on at point blank range, or something is blocking you.

Oh, and the accuracy difference between the MG42 and the .30 cal? Look at it like this - The MG42 is dealing with lower health infantry while the .30 cal is dealing with higher health infantry. The killing power of the MG42 and the .30 cal is pretty similar when you consider their intended targets tbh.

Rarely will you kill a man with your first burst of .30 cal, however it's not too uncommon for a MG42 to rip up a man in it's first burst.

If I were ever given a choice of an MG42 or a .30 cal, I'd take the .30 cal every time for it's suppression. Lethality doesn't mean much if your enemy can leg it before your done.

[Tymathee]

:sigh: didn't you hear what I said? The mg42 is better all around. It doesn't kill as well as the .30 cal because it suppresses so fast. Take away the suppression and the mg42 will rape anything that comes within its arc.

The accuracy difference between the 30 and the 42 is negligible (0.2, 0.4, 0.75 vs 0.125, 0.3, 0.6) especially because the 42 puts out more bullets.

I had an mg42 kill infantry at its long range fire because it didn't suppress them but it kept damaging and it was taking them out 1 by one. If they were closer, they wouldn't have died so fast, thats the weird thing about the 42.

http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_30_Cal_HMG.html
http://picly.us/coh/Weapon_MG42.html

[EliteGren]

Stop wasting time with the offtopic stuff

[Tymathee]

Right uh. in any event...Snipers suck.

Here's an interesting thought though, as good as axis snipers are on their own, the renowned sniper spammer, Puddin, seems to like spamming Allied snipers other WM Snipers, don't think i've ever seen him do his infamous sniper spam with wm snipers.