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[TheIcelandicManiac]

This has been a real problome to me and my enemys sence i started using something else than PE TB but my problome is that the acc between atguns is too high, british paks snipe units and other atguns like crazy so alot of the paks are useless due to they die in about 2 shots unless you get the 4 hp bug but i would really like to spark an conversation about this for atguns sniping something else than tanks and houses is getting a little to annoying for me and my enemys.


well just something i think but i want to hear what you guys think about this.

[Poppi]

as far as AT guns go i have no complaints. They hit vehicles and do damage to them and doesnt really affect inf. . Thats all i really care about. Not sure if brit AT guns  kill inf., i know US doesnt really, i dont use brits. But i know alot of the axis AT vehicles do serious harm to my inf. and destroy my armor. But i dont see the problem with AT sniping AT. Easily avoidable. Move back, or send up inf. And if 57mm werent better than a pak then we will have serious problems involving balance.

[RikiRude]

accuracy modifiers between all atgs is the same i believe, but atg sniping is here to stay, trust me i REALLY tried to get rid of it in the past, but it's just one of those things you have to accept is part of game play, like having tanks run troops over.

[brn4meplz]

You could set Accuracy between all ATGS to 0 and they still hit eachother. We've got values at a really low level and it's still going to happen. comes with the territory of probability.(Besides you can look into historical records and find instances of ATG vs ATG action-namely the initial phases of the war)

[Spartan_Marine88]

(Besides you can look into historical records and find instances of ATG vs ATG action-namely the initial phases of the war)

You know, all you need to do is fit a HE shell into a atg, an you got an infantry gun

[RikiRude]

At this point after learning to live with it, it's a mechanic that I enjoy, but I think my main problem is I have felt it favors axis to destroy atgs way too much since they have the heaviest of tanks. As allies you are usually scrambling to steal atgs and keep yours alive. I def think that healing of atgs should be brought back in.

[chefarzt]

Wow this must be the 10 millionth thread bout atg sniping. Cant u guys just get over it?

[Demon767]

Wow this must be the 10 millionth thread bout atg sniping. Cant u guys just get over it?

plural?

[chefarzt]

Nazi?

[Demon767]

*facepalm*

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Well i was just wondering about it but ok then.

[TheVolskinator]

In CoH's (and mods regardless) history, the M1 57mm has always raped the pak in ATG v ATG combat. I havent had an ATG v ATG battle of sorts yet, so Ill see how that turns out. No idea on the 6 PDR but judging from all of the accuracy modifiers everyone sais they have, they might be the new kings of ATG combat.

[Killer344]

What modifiers? They're a copy from the 57.

[DarkSoldierX]

I think hes talking about the 17 p. Ive seen alot of people so far dont know the difference between a 6p a 17p a 36 pak a 38 pak and a 40 pak. They are all very different units.

And yeah its always been like this. I think we need to get over it.

[Malgoroth]

I think most people have learned to live with it. Brn is right. It's CoHs probability method for unit stats and balance (accuracy, cover, modifiers, etc) that makes shit like this happen. It's also what makes this game so much better than shit like Starcraft and makes the battles feel so intense. ("Can my half health gren squad in cover hold back these rifles long enough for those volks to get there??? OH GOD CAN THEY DO IT??? OMG THEY'RE DOWN TO ONE GUY! HOLD OUT A LITTLE LONGER GUY!! HOLD OUT!!!!!!!!").

[LeoPhone]

atg sniping can be stopped easily with a accuracy modifier on the guns. of course they will sometimes still hit but it will take so long it is better to keep your atg hidden and safe from other weapons.

[Tymathee]

no, it is a problem.

accuracy modifiers between all atgs is the same i believe,

this is true. they're all 57mm towed gun armor so that's the same, here are the acc modifiers.

57mm, 6pdr, 17pdr and pak38 all have .5 acc vs the armor but here's the kicker!

The pak40 has 1.0 acc vs 57mm towed gun armor

the leig is also 1.0 acc (.5 dmg tho)
the 37mm is also 1.0 acc vs atg armor.

so the basic guns have no differences but the advanced axis weapons do. this i have noticed, my pak40's do rape 57's really well and since they do more damage (187) this is a clear disadvantage for any allied player playing against a defensive player.

all atg vs atg acc should be 25% 50% is too high, 100% is ridiculous.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Yea, what tym said

[Mister Schmidt]

If you decrease the accuracy vs atg's you have to do the same vs 50mm's, otherwise pe are at a massive disadvantage in this respect.

[Demon767]

However, 57s have advantage over Paks with the 150 damage per shot, you only need to aim at the pak first and you will win any battle, its not that hard either, allies got impossible to peentrate armor such as the churchil, jumbo and pershing