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[DarkSoldierX]

Aside from the pop change I do believe there is one good reason why it is such a strong tool. First of all, it gets the best anti tank gun. 57mm and then it gets awsome handheld Suppression and killing tool. The B.A.R. These three combined makes a strong front that is cable of pushing and destroying pretty much everything.

Replace a few things and that can be said for terror, engineers, blitz, anything.

Oh and different ATG's have different strengths. Notice how pak40 has crapload of damage.

[TheVolskinator]

PaK40 and 17lbr are the heavy hitters that blow vs. ligher stuff (ACs, scouts).

Vanilla pak is the king of RoF, able to out DPS the competition because of its outstandingly short reload.

6pdr/57mm is the average joe, with higher damage then the PaK (120 vs 110 I think) but a 1 second longer reload.

Marder I dont class as an ATG...but probably falls within the heavy "ATG" class.

In short, no, the weapons arent better or worse in total than another ATG--they just forfil different rolls. People say that the Pak is pathetic; its only easy prey if you manage to totally outflank it or hit it with inf; if a PaK is facing me and gets off a shot at max range, I shit myself regardless of what it did or didnt hit--its a powerful ATG and the high rate of fire is something to be noted.

[RikiRude]

marder would be heavy at i believe, they do big damage to jumbos (or anything for the matter).

though i cant deman a mader and use it against axis tanks   

[Mysthalin]

50mm ATHT : 115 Dmg, 5.7 Reload Total, Medium/Light Pen.
50mm Pak38 : 115 Dmg, 3.7s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
6 Pounder : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
57mm : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
Marder : 150 Dmg, 5s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
17 pdr : 150 Dmg, 7s Reload Total, High Pen.
Pak40 : 187 Dmg, 6.45s Reload Total, High Pen.

List of ATGs by their DMG, reload times and penetration rates.

I would have forever believed the Pak38 is the best ATG in terms of flat DPS - though Marders are quite clearly better in that regard.

[Katusha]

though i cant deman a mader and use it against axis tanks   

Firefly?

[DarkSoldierX]

50mm ATHT : 115 Dmg, 5.7 Reload Total, Medium/Light Pen.
50mm Pak38 : 115 Dmg, 3.7s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
6 Pounder : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
57mm : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
Marder : 150 Dmg, 5s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
17 pdr : 150 Dmg, 7s Reload Total, High Pen.
Pak40 : 187 Dmg, 6.45s Reload Total, High Pen.

List of ATGs by their DMG, reload times and penetration rates.

I would have forever believed the Pak38 is the best ATG in terms of flat DPS - though Marders are quite clearly better in that regard.

So 50mm ATHT and 17p have worse DPS.

[Tymathee]

yeah and that's a marder sans lockdown.

[Demon767]

Yer Pak pen and damage is shit poor against allie heavy armor

which is disappointing because ATGs rape axis heavy armor

[Scotzmen]

Axis heavy Armour > Allies heavy Armour

[smurfORnot]

if by that you mean HVAP pershing that rapes everything except KT and Jagd,and ff that can also own any axis heavy armor with good micro.

[TheVolskinator]

Yes but the allies dont have the huge number of heavy armored units that the axis can just lolfield (dual tiger companies?)

Off topic, this must be the longest thread we've stayed on-topic in for months... o.o (yay)

[Demon767]

all the axis armor is penetrated the same, so it doesnt matter if they have better armour then the majority of allies, they still get ripped.

[Mister Schmidt]

It isn't on topic, this thread is now retarded and needs to be locked.

[TheVolskinator]

TBFH, just try churchill armor on it. That armor is damn good and i dunno why people are so attached to (bugged) panther armor. Just do it, try it, if it sucks give it pershing armor and leave it alone. 13 pop is a bitch to try and figure out a combo for to use your FULL starting pop, so I dont think it needs a shift, but if it does, only to 14. 16 pop for a jumbo? Fake and gay, no.

@ Schmidt get your ass to the launcher. Testing a new airborne coy template.

[Mister Schmidt]

Can't - college.

And yes we've had that suggestion, please leave this thread and trust us to fix it? This applies to everyone.

[Unkn0wn]

Yea, this thread has served its purpose.

We'll likely be addressing these concerns in either this patch or the next.