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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #180 on:
June 20, 2011, 05:59:51 pm »
Quote from: NightRain on June 20, 2011, 05:02:13 pm
Aside from the pop change I do believe there is one good reason why it is such a strong tool. First of all, it gets the best anti tank gun. 57mm and then it gets awsome handheld Suppression and killing tool. The B.A.R. These three combined makes a strong front that is cable of pushing and destroying pretty much everything.
Replace a few things and that can be said for terror, engineers, blitz, anything.
Oh and different ATG's have different strengths. Notice how pak40 has crapload of damage.
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Quote from: nugnugx on June 03, 2011, 11:42:22 am
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Quote from: BigDick on January 08, 2012, 06:47:44 am
*waiting* 4 DarkSoldierNoobiX pops up to prove how much shit the T17 is penetrating KTs back and Jagd front and how much better the ac/puma is penetrating m10 rear
TheVolskinator
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #181 on:
June 20, 2011, 06:42:00 pm »
PaK40 and 17lbr are the heavy hitters that blow vs. ligher stuff (ACs, scouts).
Vanilla pak is the king of RoF, able to out DPS the competition because of its outstandingly short reload.
6pdr/57mm is the average joe, with higher damage then the PaK (120 vs 110 I think) but a 1 second longer reload.
Marder I dont class as an ATG...but probably falls within the heavy "ATG" class.
In short, no, the weapons arent better or worse in total than another ATG--they just forfil different rolls. People say that the Pak is pathetic; its only easy prey if you manage to totally outflank it or hit it with inf; if a PaK is facing me and gets off a shot at max range, I shit myself regardless of what it did or didnt hit--its a powerful ATG and the high rate of fire is something to be noted.
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #182 on:
June 20, 2011, 08:16:33 pm »
marder would be heavy at i believe, they do big damage to jumbos (or anything for the matter).
though i cant deman a mader and use it against axis tanks
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Mysthalin
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #183 on:
June 20, 2011, 08:47:18 pm »
50mm ATHT : 115 Dmg, 5.7 Reload Total, Medium/Light Pen.
50mm Pak38 : 115 Dmg, 3.7s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
6 Pounder : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
57mm : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
Marder : 150 Dmg, 5s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
17 pdr : 150 Dmg, 7s Reload Total, High Pen.
Pak40 : 187 Dmg, 6.45s Reload Total, High Pen.
List of ATGs by their DMG, reload times and penetration rates.
I would have forever believed the Pak38 is the best ATG in terms of flat DPS - though Marders are quite clearly better in that regard.
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Katusha
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #184 on:
June 20, 2011, 09:03:19 pm »
Quote from: RikiRude on June 20, 2011, 08:16:33 pm
though i cant deman a mader and use it against axis tanks
Firefly?
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DarkSoldierX
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #185 on:
June 20, 2011, 09:23:09 pm »
Quote from: Mysthalin on June 20, 2011, 08:47:18 pm
50mm ATHT : 115 Dmg, 5.7 Reload Total, Medium/Light Pen.
50mm Pak38 : 115 Dmg, 3.7s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
6 Pounder : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium Pen.
57mm : 150 Dmg, 5.3s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
Marder : 150 Dmg, 5s Reload Total, Medium/High Pen.
17 pdr : 150 Dmg, 7s Reload Total, High Pen.
Pak40 : 187 Dmg, 6.45s Reload Total, High Pen.
List of ATGs by their DMG, reload times and penetration rates.
I would have forever believed the Pak38 is the best ATG in terms of flat DPS - though Marders are quite clearly better in that regard.
So 50mm ATHT and 17p have worse DPS.
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Tymathee
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #186 on:
June 20, 2011, 09:37:58 pm »
yeah and that's a marder sans lockdown.
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Demon767
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #187 on:
June 21, 2011, 02:20:16 am »
Yer Pak pen and damage is shit poor against allie heavy armor
which is disappointing because ATGs rape axis heavy armor
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Scotzmen
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #188 on:
June 21, 2011, 02:27:43 am »
Axis heavy Armour > Allies heavy Armour
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smurfORnot
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #189 on:
June 21, 2011, 02:36:59 am »
if by that you mean HVAP pershing that rapes everything except KT and Jagd,and ff that can also own any axis heavy armor with good micro.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #190 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:08:48 am »
Yes but the allies dont have the huge number of heavy armored units that the axis can just lolfield (dual tiger companies?)
Off topic, this must be the longest thread we've stayed on-topic in for months... o.o (yay)
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Demon767
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #191 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:11:54 am »
all the axis armor is penetrated the same, so it doesnt matter if they have better armour then the majority of allies, they still get ripped.
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #192 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:14:05 am »
It isn't on topic, this thread is now retarded and needs to be locked.
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TheVolskinator
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #193 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:19:22 am »
TBFH, just try churchill armor on it. That armor is damn good and i dunno why people are so attached to (bugged) panther armor. Just do it, try it, if it sucks give it pershing armor and leave it alone. 13 pop is a bitch to try and figure out a combo for to use your FULL starting pop, so I dont think it needs a shift, but if it does, only to 14. 16 pop for a jumbo? Fake and gay, no.
@ Schmidt get your ass to the launcher. Testing a new airborne coy template.
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Mister Schmidt
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Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #194 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:28:22 am »
Can't - college.
And yes we've had that suggestion, please leave this thread and trust us to fix it? This applies to everyone.
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Unkn0wn
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Posts: 18378
Re: Sherman Jumbo
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Reply #195 on:
June 21, 2011, 05:51:47 am »
Yea, this thread has served its purpose.
We'll likely be addressing these concerns in either this patch or the next.
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