[Wm] Tiger needs buffing

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[Mister Schmidt]

Nug should be banned from balance again tbh.

[deadbolt]

Its role is to lob shells over obstacles to kill inf/support weapons. For the price it has and what he can do he is ok, 1 mortar can kill hmg/atg etc.
It is meant to die when others get close it.

hmg cant kill mortar though indirectly so, i think mortar is op and mg is up.

[velocity78]

massive derail tbh, and if the quality of this thread doesn't improve it will be locked.

[nugnugx]

hmg cant kill mortar though indirectly so, i think mortar is op and mg is up.

HMGs role is to suppress/kill infantry.  Mortar is a counter to HMG.
Everything fine here.



--- and no more derail Leo, Keeps---

[DarkSoldierX]

Mortars role is to get overruned by any unit so crewmember with mg is not needed because mortars fills its role ok.

And Tiger fills its roll ok, it gibs all types of infantry and fights off pershings, all cromwells varients, 75% of sherman varients, and all churchill varients.

AKA tiger fights of 66% of the allied tank arsenal with more than reliable penetration(not including cct, caliope, reward tanks)

And thats assuming it ALWAYS looses to - Stuart, Tetartch, M10, M18, firefly


Problem, Nug?

[deadbolt]

And Tiger fills its roll ok, it gibs all types of infantry and fights off pershings, all cromwells varients, 75% of sherman varients, and all churchill varients.

AKA tiger fights of 66% of the allied tank arsenal with more than reliable penetration(not including cct, caliope, reward tanks)

And thats assuming it ALWAYS looses to - Stuart, Tetartch, M10, M18, firefly


Problem, Nug?

trolled into winning our arguement for us nug, kthxbye.

[nugnugx]

And Tiger fills its roll ok, it gibs all types of infantry and fights off pershings, all cromwells varients, 75% of sherman varients, and all churchill varients.

AKA tiger fights of 66% of the allied tank arsenal with more than reliable penetration(not including cct, caliope, reward tanks)

And thats assuming it ALWAYS looses to - Stuart, Tetartch, M10, M18, firefly


Problem, Nug?

Pershing>Tiger so one less.  It can only go against Cromwells and non Upgun shermans and churchills tend to bounce him so they usualy escape.A well microed tet can also put on hurt on Tiger, and people usualy drop them by 2 numbers.
2 tanks he can go up against no problem that would be a drop to about 25% of allied arsenal.
Now pershing for comparison -   kills puma , kills p4 , kills panther, kills stug, kills 50mm ht, and if a player can micro he can kill marder and hetzer by circling them due to the speed of pershing.
That's 7 units in total with which he does not have problem vs 2 of Tigers. The only hurt that can be put on persh is by jag or KT.
That is without doctrine abilities, now you can go and check what doctrine stuff gets persh and what tiger gets.

If Persh is an effective AT and AI tank, why Tiger cannot be also an effective AT tank?

Problem, Darksoldier?

[DarkSoldierX]

Pershing>Tiger so one less.  It can only go against Cromwells and non Upgun shermans and churchills tend to bounce him so they usualy escape.A well microed tet can also put on hurt on Tiger, and people usualy drop them by 2 numbers.
2 tanks he can go up against no problem that would be a drop to about 25% of allied arsenal.
Now pershing for comparison -   kills puma , kills p4 , kills panther, kills stug, kills 50mm ht, and if a player can micro he can kill marder and hetzer by circling them due to the speed of pershing.
That's 7 units in total with which he does not have problem vs 2 of Tigers. The only hurt that can be put on persh is by jag or KT.
That is without doctrine abilities, now you can go and check what doctrine stuff gets persh and what tiger gets.

If Persh is an effective AT and AI tank, why Tiger cannot be also an effective AT tank?

Problem, Darksoldier?

Are you serious? Do you even know basic math?

Right after im done with this game im going to school you so hard.

[Audemed]

Oh nug, I see why you were balance-bant in the first place.

[deadbolt]

nug your just a fuckin retard at times tbh.

[Rahx]

nug your just a fuckin retard at times tbh.

[LeoPhone]

nug your just a fuckin retard all times tbh.

[BigDick]

at least he is right in saying the pershing is a bit better in direct comparison us/wehr than the tiger....

but only because he has not to deal with m10s especially when it comes to repairing

[deadbolt]

at least he is right in saying the pershing is a bit better in direct comparison us/wehr than the tiger....

but only because he has not to deal with m10s especially when it comes to repairing

so?

some axis units are a bit better in direct comparison with other allied units, its the whole point so factions dont just become mirrored.

[nugnugx]

so?

Pershing is cheaper but it is more effective in current metagameplay and the fact that allied tank destroyers got heavily buffed is affecting Tiger more than other units because:

A) it does not have range
B) it does not have speed
C) it does not have armor of other heavy tanks

These are the 3 main reasons.

[DarkSoldierX]

Pershing>Tiger so one less.  It can only go against Cromwells and non Upgun shermans and churchills tend to bounce him so they usualy escape.A well microed tet can also put on hurt on Tiger, and people usualy drop them by 2 numbers.
2 tanks he can go up against no problem that would be a drop to about 25% of allied arsenal.
Now pershing for comparison -   kills puma , kills p4 , kills panther, kills stug, kills 50mm ht, and if a player can micro he can kill marder and hetzer by circling them due to the speed of pershing.
That's 7 units in total with which he does not have problem vs 2 of Tigers. The only hurt that can be put on persh is by jag or KT.
That is without doctrine abilities, now you can go and check what doctrine stuff gets persh and what tiger gets.

If Persh is an effective AT and AI tank, why Tiger cannot be also an effective AT tank?

Problem, Darksoldier?

Pershing and tiger gun are different in splash, target tables, and penetration.

Tiger Vs Pershing
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Pershing penetration vs tiger at long range is = 45% Not favorable

Tiger penetration vs pershing at long range is =  58.45% Favorable

Tiger takes pershing to 5% in 7 shots.

Pershing takes tiger to 5% in 8 shots.

TIGER WINS!(unless you get out micro'd)

Tiger vs Retreating Churchills(is there any other kind when a tiger appears?)
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Tiger chance to penetrate Church at long range = 69.305% more than Likely

Churchill 6p chance to penetrate tiger REAR at CLOSE range = 33.066%  Hermut! they are scratching our paintjob!

Churchill 75mm chance to penetrate tiger REAR at CLOSE range = 48.4%

Tiger puts IV/VI/AVRE in 5% in 5 shots

Tiger puts Croc in 5% in 7 shots

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Yeah rush a marder, you'll kill it but it wont be cost effective.

[smurfORnot]

Tiger takes pershing to 5% in 7 shots.

Pershing takes tiger to 5% in 8 shots.

TIGER WINS!(unless you get out micro'd)

to do with pershing speed,and tigers slow aiming,it's not been once,that pershing zoomed,pooped shoot,and then moved back before tiger could shot him back,so actually pershing will beat tiger with a bit of micro.

[nugnugx]

Darksoldier i'm pretty sure your stats are incorrect as persh got 0.9 long pen and tiger 0.83 pen.

And if you talk also about splash,  pershing got bigger splash on medium and close range than Tiger.

[DarkSoldierX]

Darksoldier i'm pretty sure your stats are incorrect as persh got 0.9 long pen and tiger 0.83 pen.

Im pretty sure your brain is derp as you wont even do the math yourself as see I am correct.

to do with pershing speed,and tigers slow aiming,it's not been once,that pershing zoomed,pooped shoot,and then moved back before tiger could shot him back,so actually pershing will beat tiger with a bit of micro.

Tiger and pershing have same aimtime. What do you mean?

[BigDick]

Tiger and pershing have same aimtime. What do you mean?

he speaks about the rotation of the turret where the pershing got 32% faster rotation additional to the 9% faster rotation of the tank
that makes it 43% faster to point at the target when the gun shows into an other direction on contact

aditional the pershing has 25% more speed that makes him theoretically being able to escape when he feels loosing in direct tiger/pershing combat or able to chase the tiger