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[XIIcorps]

i just dont understand the pool cost being so high, or the 80mu cost.
other 2 units get it for 55mu
so maybe bring their cost down to 55mu
or scrap the unit alltogether and make the doctrinal unlock grant regualr sappers a flamer for 55mu

that would nulify flamer/piat spam.

[TheIcelandicManiac]

The reason why its so high is so players cant spam it, when it was just a simple upgrade on sappers it would be a no-brainer to have about 5-6 of them in your company because they were a 4 pop tommy squad that costed 180 man and 80 mun that could be spammed in mass with units like Chuchills and FireFlys.
At least with assault flamers the spammability is gimped with their high price and the general mun consumption of the PE in terms of upgrades on other units that are a must.
And maybe i kinda agree with you that they gimped it a little too much but the general Flamer sappers in brens with ablative armor was such a fucking pain in the ass to deal with its completely fair to price it at what it is.

God this idiot reminds me of myself.

[DarkSoldierX]

i just dont understand the pool cost being so high, or the 80mu cost.
other 2 units get it for 55mu
so maybe bring their cost down to 55mu
or scrap the unit alltogether and make the doctrinal unlock grant regualr sappers a flamer for 55mu

that would nulify flamer/piat spam.

People explained why the mu cost.

l2read

[RikiRude]

wait, you don't get two flamer throwers on them? i thought that was why the MU was so high. if they only get 1 flamer thrower on the group it should only be maybe 65mu or 70 max.

give them two flames at 100mu i say, they still have those stupid rifles so it wouldnt be too much better than assault flammen.

[3rdCondor]

trench busters are retardedly expensive tbh

[XIIcorps]

theres no point condor myst has weighed in, they are theoretically a superior unit with 187.5 hp per man. there balanced and cost effective.
 
id like to know which off map gives them this hp boost tho, i cant find anything in the RSE doctrine that does this, their only off maps are, typhoon smoke run, armoured intel and For King And Country

[NightRain]

theres no point condor myst has weighed in, they are theoretically a superior unit with 187.5 hp per man. there balanced and cost effective.
 
id like to know which off map gives them this hp boost tho, i cant find anything in the RSE doctrine that does this, their only off maps are, typhoon smoke run, armoured intel and For King And Country

Soldier armor, Captain and veterancy. It was already explained to you.

[Smokaz]

I think royal engineer companies are very stable. They are not especially weak to anything at all. Both bren and -flamerbased builds can be really strong. The doctrine is able to make both the churchill crocodile and the firefly stronger at the same time, and these two tanks while few in number can really tip the scales. A croc that succeeds for RE, and lets face it there's absolutely no reason at all to play RE without, will just make so much space in a 3v3 game.

Not to mention that some tank abilities and activates seem to make 6p on churchills to double-shoot. This can be really frustrating for marders and softer units.

[XIIcorps]

Soldier armor, Captain and veterancy. It was already explained to you.

does the fucking unit start with veterancy, no therefore the above mentioned is moot.
 how can other units weigh in on its base stats, im talking about the base costs.... the bloody bare bones cost of the unit is not right

again yes theoretically on paper TBers are nice when they recieve vet, plus captain buffs but their cost is just not right

[NightRain]

does the fucking unit start with veterancy, no therefore the above mentioned is moot.
 how can other units weigh in on its base stats, im talking about the base costs.... the bloody bare bones cost of the unit is not right

again yes theoretically on paper TBers are nice when they recieve vet, plus captain buffs but their cost is just not right

No, unit does not start with vet but still it starts with a soldier armor and in their current base cost they are fine. The only negative issue is the pool aside of that it is completely fine.

[Mysthalin]

Because, historically we always balanced the brits on the barebones performance of it's units.

Which is why a vanilla tommy squad on it's own costs 195 MP, like the volks squad that it is, right?

For King and Country is the off-map that allows you to survive ANYTHING. Or if you're feeling cheap, just get the Typhoon Smoking run. Yay to the entire map being covered in smoke?

British units don't start with veterancy, but they invariably end up with veterancy due to their inability to lose entire squads in any meaningful number.

[XIIcorps]

FKAK only works in friendly territory, which is useless if your attacking into enemy territory, or are on say allies attack.

no that dont count because trench busters are a made up unit non exisitant in vcoh.

and also typhoon run does not cover whole map its roughly 2x the size of cct smoke, nice hyperbole tho made your point that much stronger.

and as for loosing entire squads this is true for the tommy rifles, but sappers have the strange inability to keep their spacing and far to often group into tiny balls of fodder

[Mysthalin]

1. If you're not capable of attacking on your own terms that's your problem, not a problem with a unit or ability.

2. How is that at all relevant to how balance is done in EiRR?

3. 4x the size of CCT smoke. Once it drops, considering how much units can move by the time it dissipates, it might as well be the entire map that's covered.

4. Which is why there are 29 sapper squads at vet 2 or above, and that number would be about 10+ higher if me and Iwik didn't have our brits companies wiped.

[Hicks58]

I tried out Trench Busters in Bren Carriers. Single use, they are pretty efficient so long as no enemy AT is involved. Dual use, they'll incinerate most targets before the user can react and be out of the fire in the same stroke.

Didn't even need to attempt triple use.

[XIIcorps]

well unlike the Black knight i guess i submit, the evidence before me is enough. im just poop at using flame units

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Well you took your time to figure that out.

[XIIcorps]

instead of trolling the forums flaming people who are trying to put a point across you guys could actually play games a few names in here are absent from the launcher alot these days

[nikomas]

And quite a few do play, look, you have to realize with the trenchbusters you are paying for extra durability, not firepower.

[XIIcorps]

yeh but their not assault flamen grens who can fire on the move with those mp44's and still use nades, these are just a 4 man sapper squad with a flamer. nothing much to look at really but meh im fighitng a david and goliath battle

[nikomas]

Assault Flammen, 280mp/120muni - 8pool
Trench Busters, 220mp/80muni - 7pool
And if you want that fancy sprint and grenades you can bump up the flammen price a bit.

While the flames do have more health the sappers have soldier armour and as mentioned before can get above the flammens in some regards if supported bu a lieutenant/captain. Another thing to conciser is that the flammen unlock is a T3 putting it on par with a Pershing/Jagd/Tiger in terms of doctrine cost while the trench busters come with the AT rifle upgrade at T2, this is also something to take into account.