Increase pen on p4

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[AmPM]

StuG's frontal is better than P4s, it is one of the best armors in the game. It has good base damage and it gets more from modifiers therefore the StuG's pretty much fine and can tackle ANY Armor except heavy. If anything StuG is balanced and fine.

Mostly, sadly you can field the same number of STuGs as the enemy can TDs...again, issue with STuG is the number of things that negate its armor advantage.

[PonySlaystation]

The Stug gets it's ass kicked by Sherman upguns, Hellcats and Pershings. Other than the AI based Cromwell and Sherman Croc, it really it's not very good against armor.

[tank130]

The Stug gets it's ass kicked by Sherman upguns, Hellcats and Pershings. Other than the AI based Cromwell and Sherman Croc, it really it's not very good against armor.

And M10/M18 gets it's ass kicked by anything bigger than a handgun.......

[AmPM]

And M10/M18 gets it's ass kicked by anything bigger than a handgun.......

Except the M10/M18 can you know, kite out of range of anything other than a Panther, KT, Jadg, Hetz; are faster, have a turret, and do pretty good AI.

[8thRifleRegiment]

And M10/M18 gets it's ass kicked by anything bigger than a handgun.......

M10/M18 destroy a p4, and the amount that apanther/tiger costs you get that amount which would equal x amount of m18s, m18s will win, every time.

Im inclined to agree, taht not just the p4 needs some love, medium armor in general needs a lil love. Also the m18 needs a nerf Becuase...

The old m18, had ambush because its pen sucked so much, thus its cheap price.

after vcoh patch, it has almost mirror pen of m10, AND IT SITLL HAS AMBUSH it can also SPOT FOR ITSELF without any upgrade like a tank commander.
i know the ambush got nerfed but its still x50 damage and x50 pen, which in ambush makes it more powerfull then an m10. It needs a fuel bump so i cannt have 6 of them in my company and counter any axis armor ever to exist with maybe 3.

[Mister Schmidt]

I'd like a rework of the M10, to make the turret more realistic; I.e giving it very slow rotation, perhaps making up for this by increasing sight by 5

[CrazyWR]

yes...lets massively nerf the m10 and in order to balance that, we'll give a slight nearly insignificant buff and call it even.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Lol, no nerf, price increases are in order.

(Insert the Rent is Too Damn High Guy)

[Hicks58]

Tbf consider the following:

Increasing the price of ALL dedicated AT pieces so that they cost a substantial amount more than medium armour. This should leave them at the 250 - 300 Fuel range.

Then, alter crushing mechanics so upon ramming into a guy, the vehicle's speed is reduced to 0.

Finally, make said AT pieces lethal and specific at their jobs.

If you run medium armour, you've got flexibility, and a LOT of it. You run TD's primarily, then you'll need to find an alternative for your AI. Running one or two TD's will still be pretty viable as support for man packed/pushed AT options.

Also, with the crush mechanic alteration, you won't be able to run current style TD spam companies that will lolwut crush their way to victory after bagging every tank in sight.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Also, with the crush mechanic alteration, you won't be able to run current style TD spam companies that will lolwut crush their way to victory after bagging every tank in sight.

does this mean my dual shrecks will get more then one volley off at an m10?

[Hicks58]

It means your dual shrecks will fucking rape it unless you happen to have every guy stood on exactly the same spot or you deliberately run into it's treads.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Lol i know those fucking moments, you think your all badass, i sneak up those dual shreck falls, fire both shrecks. m10 turns around. crushes all four guys.

*facepalm*

[tank130]

You guys got it all wrong.......

Price changes will fix all balance issues....... or I thought that was what the resident guru said anyway.

[8thRifleRegiment]

Or maybe hardcap things... ohh wait thats the easy way out...so what do we have instead....weapon cache...ohh wait, that was a terrible idea....
Im confused.

[AmPM]

You guys got it all wrong.......

Price changes will fix all balance issues....... or I thought that was what the resident guru said anyway.

Actually, it could.

Increase price of AT/TDs and heavy tanks, change Med Armor to 10pop, reduce price and you would see a huge swing in gameplay. Imagine that, the price of a unit changing how efficient it is!

[8thRifleRegiment]

10 pop medium armor, whoa there ampm, getting durastic now

[CrazyWR]

Or maybe hardcap things... ohh wait thats the easy way out...so what do we have instead....weapon cache...ohh wait, that was a terrible idea....
Im confused.

both of these are the wrong solution...just simply use resouce limits as the only limits and let people build companies of whatever units they want that they can fit under the total resource numbers...if they want 40 bikes they should be able to do that.

[AmPM]

10 pop medium armor, whoa there ampm, getting durastic now

Just illustrating the point that price has a huge affect on balance =)

[Hicks58]

You guys got it all wrong.......

Price changes will fix all balance issues....... or I thought that was what the resident guru said anyway.

Instead of the bickering between people, how about evaluating my idea as a mix and match of other people's suggestions and a slice of my own?

I've got my performance alterations, AMPM's price tweaks, everybody's wish for something to be done about crushing which doesn't get rid of it and a way to make medium armour more viable without touching it.

[8thRifleRegiment]

yea, actual stat changes of vanilla coh units are always a bad idea, price change is definatly the best way