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[Tymathee]

Bike, multirole... bwahahaha, Seriously, buy a puma

seriously...for taking out support weapons, buy 3 bikes, better than a single puma.

Am I reading that bike is OP? lol

Not OP, but over priced and that wm schwim is a lil redundant.

No that jeep kinda sucks.

Pretty much. Axis sees jeep and lol's. Let me sneak my storms up on his jeep and kill it. for some reason i can't detect storms sneaking up on my bike before they can fire.

No one said Op. we are comparing two units with the same roles and figuring out how and why the jeep is inferior to a bike.

pretty much. It's a lot of the same argument with the ketten and armed schwim last year.

[nikomas]

seriously...for taking out support weapons, buy 3 bikes, better than a single puma.

That's also more pop and pretty much single use

[Hicks58]

Also much cheaper in Fuel (30 vs 65) and 10 MP less. Single use only applies if it's a suicide run, in which case, the Puma would also be single use.

[nikomas]

Also much cheaper in Fuel (30 vs 65) and 10 MP less. Single use only applies if it's a suicide run, in which case, the Puma would also be single use.

Hicks, show me a replay of the terrifying power that is bike swarms, because in my 500+ games of EiRR I've never seen it :/

[aeroblade56]

i think he means jeeps vs bikes. a bike swarm is far scarrier then  a jeep swarm.

[Hicks58]

Hicks, show me a replay of the terrifying power that is bike swarms, because in my 500+ games of EiRR I've never seen it :/

Simply because nobody has thought of it, does not mean it will never be attempted.

Also, I've been witness to Mysthalin pull out a swarm of around 8-10 Jeeps and cut down a pair of dual Shreck Storms. Now imagine it done with the DPS of Motorcycles against squishy US squads.

[nikomas]

Simply because nobody has thought of it, does not mean it will never be attempted.

Also, I've been witness to Mysthalin pull out a swarm of around 8-10 Jeeps and cut down a pair of dual Shreck Storms. Now imagine it done with the DPS of Motorcycles against squishy US squads.

Well 900mp, 30 pop and 100 fuel better cut something down, lol

[TheVolskinator]

Simply because nobody has thought of it, does not mean it will never be attempted.

Also, I've been witness to Mysthalin pull out a swarm of around 8-10 Jeeps and cut down a pair of dual Shreck Storms. Now imagine it done with the DPS of Motorcycles against squishy US squads.

Tried it in cheatmod.

Was lol.

Someone should use it.

Deadbolt?

[CrazyWR]

Simply because nobody has thought of it, does not mean it will never be attempted.

Also, I've been witness to Mysthalin pull out a swarm of around 8-10 Jeeps and cut down a pair of dual Shreck Storms. Now imagine it done with the DPS of Motorcycles against squishy US squads.

I've seen it.  SmurfUnoctium tried it with something like 48 bikes against me in a game.  It was loltastic, but somewhat effective.

[RikiRude]

+1 to tym suggesting a more defining role for said units.

And I think jeeps should get a price decrease and bikes price increase.

seriously, only advantage the jeep has is health and that doesnt mean shit. in the EIRR setting jeeps and bikes are used for anti-sniper counter 80% of the time, scouting 20% usually after they have killed a sniper.

give jeeps more health or better sight, or something!

[NightRain]

Am I the only one facepalming at this thread?

So in a short if bike gets nerfed the way Tym wants it will be low los ranged 'recon' unit that is 3 pop. Jeep is fine in all terms. It is a recon unit so is bike. Bike has better gun but no reverse and low health. It has no better 'dodge' than jeep.

Health also means quite a lot, the ability to survive a lot longer means quite a lot (I as a dedicated Commando jeep spammer. They survive small arms fire a lot longer than bikes do under a focus fire. Also the ability to reverse doesn't mean it gets stuck in weird pathing errors like the bike does.

Plus 2 pop means quite a lot. 88 8 pop and spotter for 2 equals that 10 pop for solid support weapon. Also it won't shoot to reveal its location.

Plus I'm fairly sure no axis 'lol' at jeep when they spot it spotting their stuff. It is what recon does. In a similar fashion no one lols at a spotting bike. Intel is one of the key element of warfare and winning.

[Poppi]

I always noticed that bikes can dodge the hell out of RR, zooks, atgs, tanks, etc. Send 2 or 3 of them into the enemy army and they will break through and take out the sniper. US jeeps dont have that luck. Even in larger numbers. Would more dps help balance the jeep? or just cause more grief due to spam?

[Ahnungsloser]

It's a long time ago but I had a game on Bastion where I was Airborne and called a Mortar, MG, Airborne+RR, Airborne Rifle and a Airborne Riflesquad and a ATG and a whole 24Pop Bikergang killed all my stuff.
The MG dealed a lot of damage to some of them but once they passed it was dead, the same for the mortar and the ATG. The two Airborne
squads where in green cover and the RRs missed all the time. In the end I got rid of the most of them but I had just a broken RR squad with
a 2 guys left.

I was a bit confused after this. 

[NightRain]

RRs miss because they have low accuracy low scatter and bike has Phase Armor, exact same reason why RRs are not as good versus Pumas.

[Ahnungsloser]

RRs miss because they have low accuracy low scatter and bike has Phase Armor, exact same reason why RRs are not as good versus Pumas.

And -66% received accuracy while moving.

[TheVolskinator]

Am I the only one facepalming at Night's comment?

So in a short if bike gets nerfed the way Tym wants it will be balanced. Jeep is crap in all terms. It is a waste of 110 MP, 10FU. Bike has better gun but no reverse and low health. It has better 'dodge' than jeep.

Health also means nothing since the bike has 125 HP vs 185 HP, the ability to survive a lot longer means bupkis(I as a dedicated Commando jeep spammer. They survive small arms fire for about 2 seconds longer then a bike under a focus fire. Also the ability to reverse doesn't mean it gets stuck in weird pathing errors like the bike does.

Fixed.

[Tymathee]

my jeep wants phase armor.

[Spartan_Marine88]

Most of what Night says is dead wrong, its why we chuckle when he goes off on his "tiger is crap" rant

[Ahnungsloser]

Last game:
Myth called in a lot of Jeeps to get rid of a sniper. I could do a counter snipe+recon to solve this problem, but refused and said he got it.
One bike chases my Sniper and in the first burst it dies. -.-'

[smurfORnot]

Most of what Night says is dead wrong, its why we chuckle when he goes off on his "tiger is crap" rant

Tiger is crap...