Riflenades are rather iffy

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[nikomas]

My god Tym, accuarcy was never the problem, when they hit they hit good... problem is they SCATTER so wildly that they dont hit in teh first place. That, and they are bugged VS buildings, they disappear when hitting them instead of exploding.

[aeroblade56]

Nikomas got the nail on the head. since it acts as a piat it phases through houses.

[3rdCondor]

Why does everyone try to bitch slap tym all of the time? Show the love ppl

[nikomas]

Nikomas got the nail on the head. since it acts as a piat it phases through houses.

But they dont even do that, you know how grenades can "Collide/stick" to building instead of going trough? They do this quite a lot, more often than they phase trough and the kicker? They dont even explode when they do.

Making riflenades kinda worthless vs houses in some regard, or severly gimped at the very least.

And it's not about bitchslapping tym, It's about getting tym to check his facts before he posts, or at least understand the issue.

[Tymathee]

My god Tym, accuarcy was never the problem, when they hit they hit good... problem is they SCATTER so wildly that they dont hit in teh first place. That, and they are bugged VS buildings, they disappear when hitting them instead of exploding.

if you're trying to hit something stationary it DOES matter. I didn't just post accuracy bonus, it was damage bonuses as well.

If you want to hit something say like an hmg thats in green cover or garrison, you want it to be highly accurate.

Scatter only matters if the target is MOVING. If it's stationary, scatter means crap since it doesn't roll hits.

[nikomas]

if you're trying to hit something stationary it DOES matter. I didn't just post accuracy bonus, it was damage bonuses as well.

If you want to hit something say like an hmg thats in green cover or garrison, you want it to be highly accurate.

Scatter only matters if the target is MOVING. If it's stationary, scatter means crap since it doesn't roll hits.

Mother of god... Tym...

You know when you fire arty, or a mortar? They dont use acc to determine the landing point, that is SCATTER. Accuracy is applied when the explosion hits the ground to determine if the splash hits the targets affected or not, it matters not if the target is moving, the riflenades do however try to "Lead" the target to some extent.

Get it now? When they fire they are like mortars and accuracy buffs do nothing for them at all when determining their landing points. This is why you can have a stationary nadesquad miss wildly even with acc buffs... The acc buffs do noting really as it is pretty hard to dodge the explosion in the first place, just like any other he explosives.

This is why we are facepalming, you are missing the entire mechanic.

[Smokaz]

This is why we are facepalming, you are missing the entire mechanic.

No, we are being disrespectful. 

[Tymathee]

Mother of god... Tym...

You know when you fire arty, or a mortar? They dont use acc to determine the landing point, that is SCATTER. Accuracy is applied when the explosion hits the ground to determine if the splash hits the targets affected or not, it matters not if the target is moving, the riflenades do however try to "Lead" the target to some extent.

Get it now? When they fire they are like mortars and accuracy buffs do nothing for them at all when determining their landing points. This is why you can have a stationary nadesquad miss wildly even with acc buffs... The acc buffs do noting really as it is pretty hard to dodge the explosion in the first place, just like any other he explosives.

This is why we are facepalming, you are missing the entire mechanic.

then why the FUCK wasn't that said in the first fucking place instead of telling me it's no good? be up front with your criticism and give me facts, not face palming and epic idiocy.

No, we are being disrespectful. 

fuck you smokaz, you're the main culprit. if someone is wrong, tell them why they're wrong instead of being an ass hat.

[I2ay]

Why the fuck is Tym allowed to post in balance threads?

[tank130]

Why the fuck is Tym allowed to post in balance threads?

Why are you allowed to post in the balance threads?

[RoyalHants]

Why are you allowed to post in the balance threads?

Why are any of us allowed?

Should just be tank and EIRRmod chilling area.

[I2ay]

It should be a big game of Hide and Seek with just Deadbolt and Tank.

[RikiRude]

I would prefer if they were an ability, how to price them I don't know, but you never know how they are going to land, sometimes you can be RIGHT next to a house firing at the MG inside and it takes 4 tries to even hit the thing which is just silly if you are stationary and so is the enemy.

or similar to what someone else suggested, make it so it doesn't fire on the move, but is more accurate when standing still or less scatter or whatever. might have to give it a longer cool down or reload, but I think that would make the most sense.

[Tymathee]

Why the fuck is Tym allowed to post in balance threads?

why are you allowed to have 2 forum accounts?

[Contaminator]

I would prefer if they were an ability, how to price them I don't know, but you never know how they are going to land, sometimes you can be RIGHT next to a house firing at the MG inside and it takes 4 tries to even hit the thing which is just silly if you are stationary and so is the enemy.

or similar to what someone else suggested, make it so it doesn't fire on the move, but is more accurate when standing still or less scatter or whatever. might have to give it a longer cool down or reload, but I think that would make the most sense.

Thank you that was my point. So in after seeing the rage over using the right term I will fix my statement saying on stationary in sight of the enemy *Scatter (not accuracy) is reduced then while moving that buff is lost and maybe increase reload time. Then have modifiers for moving with a sight blocker and being still with a sight blocker and such. So yes adjust scatter not accuracy XD

[AmPM]

There is literally no reason to have it fire 2 Lee Enfields over 2 rifle nades.

Also Riflenades are awesome

[Tymathee]

Thank you that was my point. So in after seeing the rage over using the right term I will fix my statement saying on stationary in sight of the enemy *Scatter (not accuracy) is reduced then while moving that buff is lost and maybe increase reload time. Then have modifiers for moving with a sight blocker and being still with a sight blocker and such. So yes adjust scatter not accuracy XD

could a rifle nade even be fired on the move IRL? i could imagine it would have a lot of kick.

the lee enfeld rifle grenade is a mills grenade loaded into a cup and fired, i can't imagine that it would be as weak as it is here. a scatter change would help since the way it's fired would make it highly accurate.

[Hicks58]

This is one of the few weapons where I would WANT the weapon to have firing on the move disabled. The scatter is so pathetic that it's a wasted shot most of the time.

[RikiRude]

it wouldnt have any more kick afaik, but the simple reason you wouldn't want to fire it on the move? It's a pain in the ass!

You have to put the grenade on the end of the rifle, then load in a special round to set off the grenade. I honestly don't know why it's a fire on the move kind of weapon in the first place.

[Tymathee]

it wouldnt have any more kick afaik, but the simple reason you wouldn't want to fire it on the move? It's a pain in the ass!

You have to put the grenade on the end of the rifle, then load in a special round to set off the grenade. I honestly don't know why it's a fire on the move kind of weapon in the first place.

Relic Balance > Real Life.

Just like how the m10's turret isn't slower than the tigers somehow and the original m18 was slower than the m10 just :facepalm: