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[RikiRude]

What's the chance for either of these to penetrate each other? I found my Tiger did a shit job at penetrating the jumbo even at close range which I thought was odd, in fact it seemed that the jumbo was bouncing more than I was? I don't know if it was just a long string of shit luck or what.

Also how big of a difference would the +15% damage/penetration make?

I'm enjoying playing with Tigers finally, but their pitfalls are instantly made clear.

What if we made their coaxial gun a stug mg?

[nikomas]

Pretty sure that's because the jumbo has tougher armour than the tiger, as as far as I remember the jumbo has skirted panther armour, bleh :/

[hans]

u had bad luck i guess. tiger penetrates jumbo quite well.

[Smokaz]

What's the chance for either of these to penetrate each other? I found my Tiger did a shit job at penetrating the jumbo even at close range which I thought was odd, in fact it seemed that the jumbo was bouncing more than I was? I don't know if it was just a long string of shit luck or what.

Also how big of a difference would the +15% damage/penetration make?

I'm enjoying playing with Tigers finally, but their pitfalls are instantly made clear.

What if we made their coaxial gun a stug mg?

I have had the same experience. Upgun jumbos just add injury to insult when you play with tiger.

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u had bad luck i guess. tiger penetrates jumbo quite well.

jumbo has better armor than most targets, and tiger isnt a high penetration tank. And upgun jumbo tr gun doesnt do okay vs tiger, i believe 33% chance to penetrate?

What if we made their coaxial gun a stug mg?

What if we turned off all coaxials/changed them? People don't notice their damage because it is so teensy weensy, which makes no sense rly why add a weapon Relic if you're going to leave it insignificant.

OMG has made buffs for coaxials.

[GORKHALI]

tiger with 88mm not penetrate jumbo at point blank range thats crap,

well i think eir coders have nerfed all axis tanks and 88,..why should jumbo get a panther skirt on the first place , everything nearly bounces on jumbos armor and with the 75 mm upgrade fuck run from it , i lost a vet 2 tiger to jumbo with 75 mm upgrade long time ago ,i still remember i shot that big fat tincan like 10 times and he still had half health left and his 75 mm was penetrating every time it was shooting and i ended up with a dead tiger ... u need a lot of skill and support to use tiger or it will not last long ..

all ally tanks out gun and out run axis vehicles,... even with t3  mobile tactics +33 acceleration it is just too slow, lightning war gives tiger a good speed of panzer 4 but then it will lose the accurucy and sight buffs and heat rounds so it can only fight against medium tanks and shermens and cromwells and churchill r no match to tiger .

[hans]

i know for sure that pak penetrates jumbo also quite well. use pak and tiger combo 

[nikomas]

i know for sure that pak penetrates jumbo also quite well. use pak and tiger combo 

I believe the entry for the jumbo is 0x111D7F3A, if so, chance for pak to penetrate at long range? Try 27%, if that is indeed the correct entry. If It actually had panther armour to the full it would be even less, lol

Tiger pen would be around 43% and Sherman 76mm is 38% to penetrate the tiger so they have pretty much equal penetration in a duel. So those observations aren't entirely incorrect.

[hans]

no modifiers?

[NightRain]

no modifiers?

If Jumbo truely has panther skirts Tiger has 0.9 damage modifier vs it.

Aka Tiger does 123,75 damage to it per shot. Per penetrating shot. It indeed does have 43% chance to penetrate Jumbo frontally. FROM LONG DISTANCE.

48% from MEDIUM distance

52% from SHORT distance

*Edits if more info aquired*

For Sherman Jumbo 76mm.

It appears to have accuracy modifier of 1.35 which means...slightly over 100% accuracy from long range. ( I mean very slightly 1.0125) and that is long distance.

If I assume correctly Sherman Jumbo has 100% accuracy against Tiger in all cases which mean it will hit him pretty much everytime when it is stationary. If moving and in long distance 75% accuracy.

almost 38% penetration from long distance
41% medium
45% short.

[nikomas]

Night is correct, the jumbo has the 0.9 carryover from the tiger gun, the pak however does full damage to it on the odd chance that it penetrates.

The pak has a modified table, but for much else it operates on skirted panther armour for the most part, like with the shreck and tiger tables.

[hans]

What's the chance for either of these to penetrate each other? I found my Tiger did a shit job at penetrating the jumbo even at close range

40 to 50 percent sounds okay for me. i say u had bad luck 

[NightRain]

My only wonder is that why Jumbo has 100% accuracy vs the Tiger...and 10% damage reduction.

[hans]

My only wonder is that why Jumbo has 100% accuracy vs the Tiger...and 10% damage reduction.

has the tiger also 100 percent acc vs the jumbo?

[nikomas]

40 to 50 percent sounds okay for me. i say u had bad luck 

Not when it's a 380f tank on a 550f tank, lol... And not only that Night the jumbo is faster for some reason, Fun fact, afaik in real life the jumbo was even slower than the tiger, fancy that.

No hans, 75% and that's only if you're stationary, it's 37.5% if you're moving... bleh

[NightRain]

has the tiger also 100 percent acc vs the jumbo?

Of course not. Tiger has accuracy modifier of 1 vs panther skirts.

Which means 75% long
100% medium
100% short.

You can consider it close enough though

[nikomas]

Unless you're moving, then it's 50% medium AND short, and that's just fucked up imo

[NightRain]

Unless you're moving, then it's 50% medium AND short, and that's just fucked up imo

Yeah thats when you are fucked anyway. Moving tiger can't hit even a side of a barn.

[GORKHALI]

Not when it's a 380f tank on a 550f tank, lol... And not only that Night the jumbo is faster for some reason, Fun fact, afaik in real life the jumbo was even slower than the tiger, fancy that.

 lol,didn't know jumbo was slower , why the hell is it faster make it slow or increase its cost and make it like tiger,so that they can only have 2 jumbos if not make tiger cheaper as well so we can also have as many tigers as jumbos in our company for fun fact ofcourse.

[Hicks58]

You know, it's worth noting that the Jumbo does 87.5 damage per shot vs a 1064 health Tiger when the Tiger does 123.75 damage vs a 736 health Jumbo.

6 Rounds to bag the Jumbo vs 12 rounds to bag the Tiger. Top speed is 4 for the Tiger and 4.5 for the Jumbo.

Not only that, the Tiger has 2 accel vs the 1.4 accel of the Jumbo, meaning the Tiger will get up to speed faster than the Jumbo. The Jumbo won't be able to play the pot shot game. If you're losing Tigers to Jumbos then you either need to work on being caught at low health or stop screwing up so much tbh.

Oh and Smokaz, the Tiger isn't a high penetration tank? Wat? The only two tanks in the game it has any penetration issues with are the Pershing and Jumbo. The Pershing only becomes a penetration issue at long range due to an overall 0.7 mod. It'd be like saying the Hellcat isn't a high penetration tank because it struggles a bit with JagdPanther armour...

[RikiRude]

Ah so a mix of bad luck and ill preparedness is what got me.

It was a 1v1 of my (bottom T4) Tiger and a TR Jumbo and I assumed I'd have a decent chance of doing some damage against him. I was wrong, IIRC I got 1 penetrating shot out of 7 or 8? He got two on me. Now I know, I'm also going to switch over to dual T3s to get that extra penetration and damage.

Also bottom T3 doesnt really seem to make a difference in tigers accuracy which still seems to be "quite shit" . And does anyone have the commander go down? Wouldn't you always want accuracy over quicker reload and turret rotation? Unless maybe you have M10/m18s circling you?

It just seems silly to me that a Tiger is better off not fighting a jumbo. Should I use a panther instead to fight jumbos since I have the extra range?

Either way I'm going to stick with Tigers for a few games it's one of the last units that I haven't learned how to play decently.