Adjust the Price of BARS

Quote from: Jelly-Boy on November 19, 2008, 04:25:41 pm

I'm going to swoop in and post some statistical information all of this can be found on COH-stats.com

First off let's compare damage between the two. BAR does 7/LMG does 5
So the BAR deals more damage? Yes, in theory.

Time to factor in additional information:
LMG burst duration is 2-1/BAR burst duration is 1.25-0.75=That means that the LMG roughly fires for about 3/4 longer then a BAR squad.
Rate of fire for the LMG is: 15-15/ BAR RoF is 7-7. So that means that in two seconds an LMG will dispense of 30 bullets and in 1.25 seconds a BAR will dispense 8.75 bullets
They both have a similar reload frequency so they will repeat this cycle at most 8 times before having to reload.
LMG cooldown is 3.5 BAR is 2.0

So lets add these up and show the difference in damage done by these two weapons.

Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 sec, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 sec, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 seconds,Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 sec, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 sec, Fire for 2 seconds, Reload for 6.5 seconds. So in a total of 39 seconds before reloading the drum the LMG will have fired 240 bullets, each bullet doing 5 damage for a total of 1,200 damage if everyone hits.

BAR: Fire for 1.25, Cooldown 2.0, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown for 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown for 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25, Cooldown 2.0, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown for 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Reload or 3.5 seconds. So in 24 seconds the BAR will fire 168 bullets and deal 1,176 damage if everyone hit.

Of course not everyone would hit so lets factor in an engagement from medium distance:
LMG M accuracy: .3x240=72 bullets hitting their target x 5= 360 damage at medium range.
BAR M accuracy: .45x168=75.6 bullets hitting their target x 7= 525 damage at medium range.

Remember that this is assuming the target is shot at at the same distance for anywhere between 39-24 seconds with no cover.

You can further expand this by applying the accuracy incremental which would make the numbers look like this:
LMG M accuracy: .3x1.05^6~0.4x240=96 bullets hitting x 5=480 damage
BAR M accuracy: .45x1.02^4~0.49x168~82 bullets hitting x 7=574 damage

Now take those revised numbers and multiply the damage by .75
480x.75=360 damage for an LMG in a span of 39(s) *against Riflemen*
574x.75=430.5 damage for a BAR in a span of 24(s) *against Grens*
However I don't see this as a practical engagement so lets do these numbers for a span of 10s

LMG: Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5 sec, Fire for 2 seconds, Cooldown 3.5. Bullets fired=60
BAR: Fire for 1.25, Cooldown 2.0, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown 2.0 seconds, Fire for 1.25 seconds, Cooldown for 2.0 seconds, plus a lil extra for .25 seconds. Bullets fired~26

Accuracy incremental: 0.4x60=24 bullets hitting for LMG/ 0.49x26=12 bullets hitting for BAR
base damage x 0.75= 5x0.75=3.75 damage per bullet for LMG/ 7x0.75=5.25 damage for a BAR

Totals: 3.75x24=90 damage in 10s for LMG/5.25x12=63 damage in 10s

So overall the BAR may deal more damage if it fires for the full 24 seconds however the rifle squad will be non-existent. That is where the LMG has the edge short engagements where it excels at. As for suppression the BAR base suppression is only .0005 higher then an LMG. Without SF a BAR would only have an edge against regular troops. This is one of the main reasons why I like LMGs over BARs. Sure they can suppress but when they are suppressing they are not killing, and their whole suppression ability is null if you are in heavy cover. Not to mention LMGs have 5 more range then a BAR, get better the more riflemen it faces (accuracy incremental is per man..), and at short range an LMG lands 75% of its 30 round burst. So guys, please stop bitching about the BAR, right now it is fine, it adds a little bit of fire power and if you aren't a retard only 1 squad at max will get suppressed and die/retreat as long as you don't blob. Don't blame the game if you are having 4 squads all blobbed together suppressed and run off the field.

Erm, good post but you forgot one critical thing

Whenever you talk about the BAR, you have to multiply your final results by 2, you ran up the numbers as 1 LMG vs. 1 BAR - but under no circumstances will you ever see a squad of riflemen walk on the field with any number of BARs besides 0 or 2 - the BAR upgrade gives 2 weapons.

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