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[Tymathee]

Shrecks are very accurate vs. AT Guns.

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i said that....its 75% acc vs non moving and 100% vs moving at gun, both kinds.

[Killer344]

i dont use it but someone else mentioned using it. Also, using a satchel on a pak gun after its decrewed is a waste as its one use at 50 muni and you usually only have a couple and usually airborne dont have a lot of tanks.

Anyone with a bit brain would kill a pak with a satchel if you can :p.

did i menetino air superiority? you're brinign up stuff i never mentioned. anybody would give up shrecks for AS. but nobody would want bazookas. hell, we dont even want them, we'd rather have rangers not have zooks if it can be helped.

you really underestimate bazookas..... or don´t know how to use them 

[MistenTH]

300 MP 50 MUN AB squad with satchel versus 400(?) MP 140(?)MUN Pak gun. Plus the AB squad might be able to escape to fight in the same battle or even steal the Pak gun.

Pretty good deal =D

[Tymathee]

i dont use it but someone else mentioned using it. Also, using a satchel on a pak gun after its decrewed is a waste as its one use at 50 muni and you usually only have a couple and usually airborne dont have a lot of tanks.

Anyone with a bit brain would kill a pak with a satchel if you can :p.

did i menetino air superiority? you're brinign up stuff i never mentioned. anybody would give up shrecks for AS. but nobody would want bazookas. hell, we dont even want them, we'd rather have rangers not have zooks if it can be helped.

you really underestimate bazookas..... or don´t know how to use them 

no i dont. you can't have several vet 2 rangers and a vet 3 (which just died btw ) without knowing how to use bazookas. Hell...i've killed tigers with my rangers, but i've had more success killing tanks picking up schecks with rifles than using my rangers. they have poor accuracy and penetration but get excellent rear shot dmg, which requires quite a bit of micro or tactful use of fire up. Either way...schecks r way easier ot use.

[AmPmTLS]

From what I know, Artillery (onmap and offmap) are the primary methods of killing axis paks and they are the most effective and commonly used. Cloaking is a much needed ability in EiR, when you have suicide crocs, OBM and stuff. Its quite well balanced as it is though I still think its more in favour of suicide crocs unless you have at least 2 paks covering each other.

The reason artillery is used so much more to kill paks is because we fire into the area where we last see them or we fire at them while we can see them. We can't just look for them without infantry or baiting with some type of vehicle, so artillery is used. Also, crocs are "suicided" because once a cloaked pak starts shooting, most of the time you have no idea where tis coming from and the best thing to do is to keep going forward. Play as allies and see how annoying paks are.

You can kill it with any infantry squad....

god you're thick. Kill as in destroy, no more gun, can't recrew.

Only use satchels after u decrew the pak gun. How hard can it be? I don't think RRs are suitable for use against pak guns... but if you really want to its your choice but at 220 Mun.... I won't really recommend that.

i dont use it but someone else mentioned using it. Also, using a satchel on a pak gun after its decrewed is a waste as its one use at 50 muni and you usually only have a couple and usually airborne dont have a lot of tanks.

I don't mind giving up my shreks for Air Superiority.

did i menetino air superiority? you're brinign up stuff i never mentioned. anybody would give up shrecks for AS. but nobody would want bazookas. hell, we dont even want them, we'd rather have rangers not have zooks if it can be helped.

Damn Tym, L2p. Seriously.

Normal Rifles can kill the actual ATG, try forcing fire sometime. I kill them all the time with small arms.

Satchels are cheap and effective, and while it may not help you as an AB player as much, it probably helps those 2 ARMOR guys you are playing with quite a bit.

Crocs are suicided because they are cheap and disposable, anyone with some eyes can see where a cloaked PaK shot comes from, it shows the shell and a trailer behind it when it fires....

Grens w/ Schrek = more cost than Rangers, and no fireup. Stop complaining and get an HMG or BAR squad.

[notenome]

I love it how some allied players use as an argument that the best infantry weapon they have is picked up schreks. You do realize that, as a penalty for loosing a schrek, captured schreks are insanely buffed, right? A captured schrek is the best infantry AT weapon in the game not because the schrek is a great weapon but bc of the punitive buff.

[salan]

punitive buff?

[NationalSozialismus]

punitive buff?

Shrek's are better once picked up by allies than they are by axis units against allied tanks.

[AmPmTLS]

Only against certain tanks, they get a 1.6x damage modifier =)

Panther and P4 specifically.

[31stPzGren]

AMPM stated the facts for me in my absence. 

Adding on to the point of Satchels... Pak guns are usually well defended. The idea is to drop in and attack the PAK guns suddenly. While the enemy is mobilising his infantry to counter your AB, you should have time to decrew the PAK.

While decrewing the PAK you would have done some damage to it in the interim, which allows you to destroy it with one satchel. The reason you want to satchel it is because you don't have time to 'manually' destroy it with small arms fire.

You want to move in fast, destroy all weapon support teams or AT quick and let the tanks roll in and kill off all the forces.

I do play allies a lot, quite sadly due to the fact that a lot of people rather sit in axis accounts than switch to allied when there are like 8 axis in the launcher and 0 allied.

[Wildfire]

the point of this thread is pak sniping at guns. It's a very annoying tactic and its hard for at guns to shoot back, you just have ot move your at gun and then while you do that, they can move in their tank while ur moving ur at gun and then you cant really stop to sho ot because then the pak will fire at you again moving up while cloaked. there are certain people I've played that use pak sniping very well and use it to destroy at guns all the time. Play someone like that as allies and see how frustrated you get.

[MistenTH]

I pak snipe ATGs as axis to improve the odds.

As allies, I just drop arty on them Paks.

Infantry - Offmap, howitzer
Armour - Calliope, Crocodile if gutsy to clear way
Airborne - Satchel drop, Strafing Run, Bombing Run

[AmPmTLS]

I do all the time. I put my ATGs BEHIND the infantry line, then sticky any tank that gets in range or fall back to my ATGs. Its not hard to do.

[NationalSozialismus]

I do all the time. I put my ATGs BEHIND the infantry line, then sticky any tank that gets in range or fall back to my ATGs. Its not hard to do.

THANKYOU!

That's what I'd been saying for so long already.

[Scaevola]

And what happens when the ostwind parks right in front of your little house witha  machine gun in it? Get the mg out and get bumrushed by superior axis infantry? Or let it die and then get raped?

[31stPzGren]

And what happens when the ostwind parks right in front of your little house witha  machine gun in it? Get the mg out and get bumrushed by superior axis infantry? Or let it die and then get raped?

Suicide M10s! OBM Shermans! Get AB + RRs / Rangers into the building!

Ostwind has such weak armour.

[MistenTH]

And what happens when the ostwind parks right in front of your little house witha  machine gun in it? Get the mg out and get bumrushed by superior axis infantry? Or let it die and then get raped?

60 range AT gun versus 40 range Ostwind.

Sticky bombs that travel through houses =D

Another machinegun / BAR rifles / Sherman etc behind :p

We can go on forever but basically. Either you figure out how to fight it off or don't. It's doable.

[NationalSozialismus]

You can't just conjure situations to defeat every argument, because for every argument there's a counter argument (to Scaevola).

There are numerous counters to the PAK. The advantage of the ATG is the AP shells and higher damage, the Pak gets cloaking, each is relevant for certain reasons. Deal with it.

Pak -->Counters speed
ATG -->Counters heavier armour

[Wildfire]

But the pak gets the same bonus with its first shot while cloaked that the at guns have to buy for free. Thats not a valid argumente for at guns.

[AmPmTLS]

The PaK does pay for it, check their prices you nub.