Sniper vs Hans

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[gamesguy4]

yeah yeah dps so what, lmg out performs bars. an lmg guy will kill a sniper faster than a bar guy because of the much longer burst of the lmg.

Ya its called fire on the move, I find it hilarious you're trying to say lmgs outperform bars at killing snipers.

Bars has superior long range damage as well.

[SSPzDivision]

Guys BAR and LMG are Support Machineguns, not sniper rifles...

The thread is Hans Vs Dave the Sniper not BAR is OP vs LMG42.


I know that Axis Doctorines grants minor Buffs Heavy Support is rather good for sniper range etc but still it doesn't mean much. Be reasonable guys that WITHOUT, WITHOUT Any TIER 4s OR ANY OTHER TIER Ability EIR gave for units, Hans Sniper sucks. Sniper Dave is more deadlier vs Axis than Sniper Hans. That is the chat.

I don' mind if Vet is involved in this thread. Both have their nicer vet but I'd take 25% Less recived accuracy any time. It basically grants Ally sniper run away from gren squad that chases it to the safety behind infantry wall and then snipe grens long distance while grens fights inf wall. =P

[Tymathee]

but the fast is, there's always buffs on infantry in every doctrine, and the allied sniper costs more. Dont even talk about the infantry faction because in the AB and armour divisions, there is nothing to buff or cheapen or do a nything to help the allied sniper. So if w/o buffs, the allied sniper is better, maybe, it does cost more, but so what, all the infantry buffs that the axis get, make the axis sniper really good. Maybe that's why the allied sniper is "better" than the axis sniper because of all the buffs that they can get (even in vcoh, clickable abilities, able to buy vet etc.) so meh. 1v1 no buffs or changes, allied is "better" but it doesn't last long because by the time they might meet each other, the axis sniper has bought his vet (vcoh) or gotten some kind of buff (dmg, acc, health, med paks, health regen etc)

so can we end this now...why does this even matter? I've seen both snipers tear into enemy formation, they both are good at "sniping" for god sakes. There's nothing to change, no one's going to change a thing. the allied sniper costs 60mp more, what more do you want?

[SSPzDivision]

Blitzkrieg doesn't get any buffs for Sniper.

In VCoH Ally sniper at vet 3 can run and at vet 3 Axis sniper can't run.

Hans misses more often his shots than Allied Sniper. He misses even units that aren't even vet.
Allied Sniper costs few MP more that is agreed.
Should it cost more or less?

Infantry Doc gets it cheap. The orginal post has the ammo discount I took in Company that is why the sniper price is inaccurate in it. Infantry company with ammo discount on units x)

What I want is, Why Sniper Hans sucks?

It dies to a AT Gun.

It dies to 1 howy shot because 1 howy shot always lands on his feet etc

[Tymathee]

blitz snipers get no buffs? really?

Code Loyalty - All infantry 10% more resistant to supp, 15% when attk.

Battle Hardened - All infantry have 12% less rec acc, 18% attk

Blitzkrieg/Conviction - make ssniper move faster, therefore getting to his shot faster, or moving away from danger quicker.


lol any infantry can die to an at gun shot. I just saw an m10 take out 3 grens with one shot, it happened dude, even paks can kill a sniper.

Also...lots of infantry die to howie shots so please, leave that one alone :rolls eyes: ever have a sniper burn to death from nebels or stukas???

Oh yeah, in EIR, both snipers can't run at vet 3. it was taken out in last backend patch back in august.

[Unkn0wn]

Infantry =/= Snipers AFAIK

[Sach]

Balance doesn't mean identical and the balance is between the sides not individual units. Allied sniper is better than axis sniper - lets move on.

[SSPzDivision]

Balance doesn't mean identical and the balance is between the sides not individual units. Allied sniper is better than axis sniper - lets move on.

agreed

[unem]

Thats the point
Price = Equal
Power = uneven

[Sach]

Thats the point
Price = Equal
Power = uneven

Youre not looking at it in context of the sides as a whole though. For example:

*massive theory craft warning*

An axis player has a sniper facing a rifle squad and a 57mm. Behind him is an mg42 out of sight range of the allied player. He snipes the 57 (and assuming the 57 doesn't snipe him back) the rifles rush the sniper and are instantly suppressed.

Flip it around. The allied sniper cannot snipe the Pak since its invisible and even if it wasn't the volks squad could rush in and *maybe* kill the sniper before being suppressed or at worst, see the 30 cal and run back without being suppressed.

Its not as simple as x is better than y and so should be cheaper.

[Unkn0wn]

Price = Equal

Axis sniper is considerably cheaper.

[UnLimiTeD4]

It wouldn't make me consider...

[Smokaz]

300 munz is pretty expensive for the american sniper, particulary if you want to field a lot of bars/rrs/thompsons etc. Perhaps the wehr sniper is a bit overpriced in terms of manpower, I'm not sure. Its a given thing that he will die with all the allied artillery and strafes being fired off.

[Tymathee]

at least sach agrees with me. axis snipers have better support for them to run back to in terms of infantry than the axis do. Heck...just the fact that a freakin stuka barrage can leave fire everywhere and wear down ur sniper like hwat happened to e last game is retarded en uff

[UnLimiTeD4]

Stucka has no fire.

[Tymathee]

Stucka has no fire.

yes it does cuz my sniper got burned, all rockets have fire. nebels, stukas, callie's, rocket barrage, firestorm.

[AmPmTLS]

Only Nebel and Firestorm have a damaging fire.

[Tymathee]

no, stuka does  trust me man. It damaged me i know for sure. i was standing in it.

[Killer344]

No, it doesn´t tym lol, and flame pios/engies when they explode also damage :p.

[BradAnderson]

no, stuka does  trust me man. It damaged me i know for sure. i was standing in it.

They do no fire damage.