COHCommando
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« on: October 23, 2010, 08:24:34 pm » |
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since the lee enfield is crap and the commandos is THE weakest elite unit in the game i think when the commandos have enfields they get a health bonus and when have stens they are normal
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 08:26:16 pm » |
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No, because upgrades should upgrade. Not degrade with an upgrade. A reduction in MP prices COULD be doable, though.
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| COHCommando
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 08:37:53 pm » |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 08:45:23 pm » |
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Make conclusions, then  . |
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brn4meplz
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 08:55:54 pm » |
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A HP boost for a shitty rifle doesn't solve the rifle being shitty.
The M1 Garand isn't much better but it's an improvement. A price reduction is probably in order.
Or taking a look at Smoke Recharge, it's many minutes longer then Fireup or sprint and that makes them 1 use units. Something which high attrition squads can't be.
Health isn;t the answer though, it doesn't address the problem.
Also, I'm looking into a system where Vanilla elite units won't rape you on Pool values and it would be tied to upgrades. so you see more Elite unit based companies like old EiRR
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Demon767
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 10:57:18 pm » |
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hahahaha this was so frikken predictable the commandos as weaker than airborne with m1-carbines. i can guess how this is gonna turn out.
*2 days later*
OMG MY COMMANDOS ARE BEING BEATEN BY UNUPGRADED VOLKS AND BEING SNIPED BY EVERYTHING BUFF THEM PLEASE
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 12:05:06 am » |
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They problem with commandoes, is that they were an early game shock troop in VCOH that were worthless in late game battles.
They have no place next to the other Elite units. And the best use they ever had was in beta, was crushing multiple inf squads with the glider and getting a free squad of infantry.
Then you got the ability to do the same thing and get a Tetrarch and didn't drop a mando squad for the rest of the game (unless you were certain the mandos would all die and not tie up your pop for more useful infantry)
And unlike all other elite troops, they don't even get an at option.
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Demon767
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 12:38:21 am » |
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AT option..... what?
fsj have no AT option unless you say panzerfaust is..?
Airborne has no AI option...
these have been rectified in EIR though. Piat mandos. Airborne rifleman, Fsj tankbusters. so i dont know what your smoking
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 09:45:05 am » |
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AT option..... what?
fsj have no AT option unless you say panzerfaust is..?
Airborne has no AI option...
these have been rectified in EIR though. Piat mandos. Airborne rifleman, Fsj tankbusters. so i dont know what your smoking
Faust is an at option A rifle is an AI option, not the most effective one but one all the same. |
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Killer344
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« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2010, 10:13:22 am » |
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hahahaha this was so frikken predictable
So? The decision to give them just rifles was made so people could have a cheap option to clear HMGs (smoke + nades), not to fight mainline infantry. |
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Hicks58
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« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2010, 12:10:39 pm » |
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So?
The decision to give them just rifles was made so people could have a cheap option to clear HMGs (smoke + nades), not to fight mainline infantry.
I'm quite confident that mortar's will do the same job for a little bit more munitions, and be an all around useful unit on top, to be used for more than one occasion. |
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Killer344
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« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2010, 12:12:00 pm » |
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Are you talking about the mortar that barely has more range than the HMG42s itself....?
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« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2010, 12:14:06 pm » |
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they so little health they get raped by volks besides 310 is not cheap a rilfe squad could do better or a solo officer
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Hicks58
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 12:17:24 pm » |
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Are you talking about the mortar that barely has more range than the HMG42s itself....?
I'm talking about Commando Mortars which have the same range as American Mortars if I recall. That which you just mentioned is a failing with the standard Brit Mortar. |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 12:18:02 pm » |
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Commandos are a unit that have one of the highest effective health versus the volksgrenadier rifle, like - in the game.
It's not their health that's an issue - it's just they probably cost a little bit too much, or their Lee-Enfield could use a little bit of buffing as opposed to the tommy counterpart.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2010, 12:25:00 pm » |
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It's not their health that's an issue - it's just they probably cost a little bit too much, or their Lee-Enfield could use a little bit of buffing as opposed to the tommy counterpart.
good idea since they are suppose to be elite infy not normal infy with lower health |
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 01:25:06 pm » |
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jeez, they DO have better health than normal infantry
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Hicks58
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 01:30:05 pm » |
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I think he's getting more at the point that they feel exceptionally fragile for expensive Elite Infantry.
I wouldn't mind the rifles having a performance increase for them... But I'm still of the opinion that they should just have their stens alone, but be altered to be effective assault infantry that can be used more than once in their deployment time.
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« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2010, 01:46:44 pm » |
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it just doenst feel like it, grens and volks pwn them tommy sections are stronger
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Mysthalin
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« Reply #19 on: October 24, 2010, 01:52:38 pm » |
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I'm pretty certain vanilla mandos > vanilla tommies, my dear..
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