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[Tymathee]

Now I don't have much issue with the unit but I feel they're in the wrong doctrine. Tank Hunters is obviously a tank/vehicle killing doctrine, yet you give it a really strong AI unit thus giving it improved all around capabilities and strengthening it where it was once weak.

Jagds and Hetzers #1 nemesis are ATG but if you have a pair of stummels, forget it they're done.

I think it should be moved over to SE, the 4man mg42 team removed, which doesn't fit PE anyway and Stummel's fit SE's theme of being the AI doctrine of PE

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Jagds and Hetzers #1 nemesis are 57mm with APR but if you have a pair of stummels, forget it they're done.

Fixed


But yea i agree that the strummel is quite bullshit for being able to snipe the shit out of every and cant rvrn beat an m8.

[EliteGren]

That's not what he said

[Groundfire]

Valid point but SE already has super ISTs which have the same function.

The Stummel just fills a role in TH for a price, which was the idea. Having one doctrinal unlock that is (at least) decent at AI doesnt detract from Tank Hunters as a primarlily AT doctrine.

[Tymathee]

Valid point but SE already has super ISTs which have the same function.

The Stummel just fills a role in TH for a price, which was the idea. Having one doctrinal unlock that is (at least) decent at AI doesnt detract from Tank Hunters as a primarlily AT doctrine.

if it was just decent, yes but it's a really good AI unit which takes away one of the major weaknesses that tank hunters have which is AT infantry and ATG's, it kills them too well.

Also, as for the super ist's, that really needs to be fixed. Solution, get rid of mobile lockdown, give SE STummels, fits same role, ISTS can keep the +5 range and flame rounds, done. Nice and balanced.

[Malgoroth]

ISTs are fine. The stummel however, is not. If ever there was a unit that epitomizes "unbalanced"... the stummel is it.

Nerf it accordingly (lower splash, OR less accuracy, OR less range, OR a less severe mix of all) and it would fit in TH just fine.

[nugnugx]

make one of the t3 in SE give stummel moving turret


!win

[Groundfire]

ISTs are fine. The stummel however, is not. If ever there was a unit that epitomizes "unbalanced"... the stummel is it.

Nerf it accordingly (lower splash, OR less accuracy, OR less range, OR a less severe mix of all) and it would fit in TH just fine.

Ok, ill forward this to the coders.

ON the stummel, so we know what to do, would you guys think it acceptable to make the gun on the stummel identical to the 75mmGMC?  I thought they were but it seems as if the stummel is just all around better. (Ive only used it a handful of times) Does anyone have any thoughts on this?

[DarkSoldierX]

One thing I noticed is strumel also doesnt have arty charateristic. If it scores hit then it flies towards a moving target,  effectively killing dudes.

Sturmel is OP, it gets the amount of kills a P4/sherman(Sometimes more) gets when it cost a 1/4th the fuel.

[RikiRude]

I haven't used them, but have fought them quite a few times, I think lowering splash and accuracy would be best since this unit doesn't have a turret so that would make it use its range as its main advantage. but then again if you do that, then you just had an upgunned puma with out its turret. It's really hard to say what to do to this unit to keep it balanced and unique. And I have to agree with tym, it seems out of place in the TH doctrine, but i feel that is a totally separate issue in regards to balancing it.

[chefarzt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jrKXf2G-AA
Btw StuHma is retardedly useless.
Just saying.
kthxbye

[TheIcelandicManiac]

Are you talking about the strumm or StuH?

If stuh use Focus fire on ground and every shot is like allmost an arty shell that gibbes blobs to death

[PonySlaystation]

One thing I noticed is strumel also doesnt have arty charateristic. If it scores hit then it flies towards a moving target,  effectively killing dudes.

Sturmel is OP, it gets the amount of kills a P4/sherman(Sometimes more) gets when it cost a 1/4th the fuel.

Isn't the same thing true for stags/t17=?

[DarkSoldierX]

No you herpderp the sturmmel gets more than those, at a much longer range. The T17 and stag usualy have to be used at around 0-10 range, while the strummel snipes way at 40.

[EliteGren]

So does the GMC, except at 60?

[RikiRude]

whatttt, there's no way the gmc has more ranger than the stummel!

[TheIcelandicManiac]

The Gmc has massive range but the bad thing is that its sight is shit to nothing

[BigDick]

whatttt, there's no way the gmc has more ranger than the stummel!

it has same range as strummel and does slightly more base damage than strummel but worse accuracy

[EliteGren]

Stummel has 50

GMC has 60 (or is supposed to have)

American:
-GMC 75mm population cost lowered to 5
-GMC 75mm scatter angel lowered to 5
-GMC 75mm range increased to 60 m.

[Hicks58]

Just checked the RGD's, GMC has 50.