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[RikiRude]

i have to agree, you probably need a better player with jumbos to compare 

but dont judge my tank micro on crocs, those things are like driving a bus, especially if you get near buildings.

but seriously, as axis i dont have trouble taking on jumbos.

how many axis players here have actually used jumbos that are saying nerf it?

[PonySlaystation]

The jumbo is not too strong. But it's only 13 pop, allowing the US player to support it with lots of units like rangers and AT guns and that makes it a lot hard to counter. 1-2 pop makes a huge difference, if it was 15 pop then the US player could no longer start with two rangers backing it up.

You may think 1-2 pop makes no difference because there is no unit that can fit into that. Wrong, 1-2 means that you can call on more units and earlier. If you have 4 pop unused then you could call in a HMG or Engineer but if you had one pop more you can call on infantry or an ATG or a recrew for both a HMG and ATG.

And tank reaper ATGs and zooks can be pretty deadly, this is what makes the Jumbo strong.

[RikiRude]

i think i could see jumbo being 14 pop, churchill croc is. but thats if no other changes were made to it.

[TheVolskinator]

Its a standard sherman with larger kahones. Ok? Jesus, its  not going to chase down your panther and t-bag it. Shrecks from the flank, panthers (which I field cuz they tend to snipe infantry pretty damn well), TWO paks (sinlge atg=dead, l2field2paks), and the one thing nobody has mentioned--MINES! Its slow, it cant lolwtfpwn armor aside from flooring the already-floored-by-everything-P4, paks penetrate it very well atm (use camo...nifty stuff), and if it hits a mine it just crawls around picking its ass for the rest of the match. Its not a problem to counter it, just FF down the rangers/whatever that come with it.

TR doesnt make the Jumbo rape, 25% penetration is nothing compared to the ~200% pen inrease the sherman upgun gets--25% is NOTHING. Zooks with TR dont rip thru frontal armor either, still gotta shoot sum' rockets up da' butt of that panther. 13 pop is fine, its an overexpensive, specialized, movement impaired sherman with low coordination skills and a punch that couldn't down a baby seal.

[NightRain]

I wonder if anyone still sends their jumbo with their rear facing at the enemy...according to volski this seems to happen quite often.

[PonySlaystation]

its an overexpensive, specialized, movement impaired sherman with low coordination skills and a punch that couldn't down a baby seal.

If that was true then this thread would never exist in the first place.

You cannot rely on mines to be a hardcounter, especially not for the Jumbo as it's common in start call-ins.

You don't bring on two paks at once early in the game, plus paks aren't even a good counter against the Jumbo.

The problem again is the low pop cost. You cannot simply chase it down with a panther because the US player will be able to field too much support.

[TheVolskinator]

I wonder if anyone still sends their jumbo with their rear facing at the enemy...according to volski this seems to happen quite often.

Shrecks from the FLANK, dual paks--flanks. Panther, durr -.-. READ the post before you flame it, kthxbye. And if a complete noob such as myself has done those very things to great effect, how is it oh-so-impossible for you guys to pull it off?

[PonySlaystation]

It's not easy or worth it to risk a pak or shreck squad for 1-2 shots at Jumbo side armor.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

That's why you do what I've been saying and attack it with a tank. Jumbo is meant to be killed by tanks as well, and since it has crappy penetration on most tanks it is very susceptible to an armored assault.

[Mister Schmidt]

Assuming you use a tank that can reliably penetrate panther_skirt armour.

[Vermillion_Hawk]

As a user of Jumbos, I can safely say that most mainline Axis tanks like the Hetzer, Panther and Marder can reliably penetrate and fight a Sherman Jumbo.

[TheVolskinator]

M18s sometimes penetrate skirted panthers. That says a lot, that armor type is good and dandy but not TOO good ;/)

BTW off topic, does the Jumbo use the 75mm_Sherman weapon or a modified one? I keep hearing about crap penetration which, though the 75mm sherm does have underwhelming pen, it can do decent damage if it gets lucky

[Hicks58]

You must have been seeing some lucky as fuck M18's then Volsk.

0.4 chance to penetrate a Panther, with a 0.63 penetration modifier for being at max range.

That makes for a whopping 0.252 chance to penetrate a Panther from max range. With 0.75 at point blank, it increases to an outstanding 0.3, yeah, M18's are food Volsk.

Jumbo uses the 75mm Sherman gun.

[DarkSoldierX]

Alright, so 14 pop jumbo with churchill 0.65 pen modifier yes?

Sound good? You can't complain about pop effectiveness when a panther rapes the shit outa a jumbo and they are same pop.

[smurfORnot]

you wont send jumbo to fight panther,same as you wont send panther to fight infantry ir atg's...

[NightRain]

Give Jumbo the Pershing armor and also a ability for a upgun. This way the big thing could be made either a Anti infantry tool or a anti tank tool with 2 options for it.

[DarkSoldierX]

you wont send jumbo to fight panther,same as you wont send panther to fight infantry ir atg's...

Yeah, and you dont send ATG's to fight off rangers, but they get raped by them anyway dont they?

Are you serious? A panther is WAY faster than a jumbo, if you cant catch him to get a shot or two off your insane!

That Panther just negates that jumbo, when the jumbo wants to eat infantry hes has no chance to get away from eating panther rounds, he HAS to move away and stop engaging infantry or hes food. That jumbo would be a jumbo shrimp.

[smurfORnot]

yea,and jumbo never has atg or 2 behind his back,so it's perfectly safe to just roll panther in 

[DarkSoldierX]

Yeah, and a panther never has a kch or two behind his back, so it's perfectly safe to roll the atg's in. 

Your full of shit smurf, L2P, With your thinking ATG's never get killed by infantry, and Jumbo's never get killed by jagdpanthers,tigers,panthers, marders and all the like.

And blobs don't get hit by HMG's.

And snipers dont get hit by jeeps.

We all know units never get hit by their hardcounter, because that unit never ever engages it. 

If your enemy has his support weapons ready but you dont, smurf thats a problem with your micro, not with balance.

[smurfORnot]

I never said jumbos dont get killed by stuff...you just make it sound,where's the problem guys,just roll in panther and kill jumbo...


I play better than you,dont you worry about my gameplay