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[DarkSoldierX]

oh, allies flank my pak 38s also constantly. Can WM get button too then plz?

can my am get assault?

[BigDick]

I calculated the W/L ratio for the top 10 Brit and Wehr players.

British ||| Wehr 1)  3.6  |||  5 2) 5.08 ||| 2.9 3) 3.5   ||| .77 4) 3.9   ||| 1.48 5) .9    ||| 1.39 6) 2.6  ||| 1.2 7) 1.7  ||| 2.08 8 ) 1.4 ||| 8.1 9) .6    ||| 2.7 10) 4.4||| 2 = 27.65 |  27.62 average W/L ratio 2.765  || 2.762

A person playing OP Brits wins games 1.003 times more often than UP Wehr. You have to play thousands of games to see a difference XD

BRITS OP LOL

i don't know why i even reply to this since such list is retarded anyways but there are people on your list that have a high w/l on one side but an even higher w/l on the other side...just not enough games played to appear in your list


when ever it may be compareable you need to look at w/l of the same player on both sides...and even then its hard to compare anything because some players are better wehr players and other ones better brit players....

and tbh isn't that topic about button? why are you derailing it by such stupid bullshit?

[jackmccrack]

lol this topic is about how OP Brits are with button so I went to the leaderboard

[jackmccrack]

If Button were really OP then every Brit player would have a huge W/L ratio but judging by the leaderboard it just isn't true and all these allegations of button being OP are also untrue

[RoyalHants]

oh, allies flank my pak 38s also constantly. Can WM get button too then plz?

No because that would be mirroring axis have supieror tanks brits get the means to nullifiy them

[NightRain]

No because that would be mirroring axis have supieror tanks brits get the means to nullifiy them

Yes and Button isn't needed to nullify them because their standard equipment does the job good without it too.

I don't count in the leaderboard. This is not claiming about British being OP, I have no idea where someone brought this up but I oughta say people have good imaginations.

This thread is about Button reasons why it shouldn't be in EIRR no more. The same garbagecan as Kangoroo is waiting for it. Recycle bin. Button has no reason to be in EIRR due to existance of British MG and Anti tank gun. Saying "Avoid bren squads" is like saying don't attack British at all or play versus them because you are ensured to meet Brens. If They are in so desperate need for Vehicle disablers, give them Slowmines.

No one here has come up with a Clear answer:

WHY DO THEY NEED IT?!

Vehicle Disablers? They already got all the tools for them so that is no excuse.

[RoyalHants]

WHY!

For Variety in tactics which have been mentioned before it allows a player to use tactics that can suit him if he wants less atgs and so needs to keep his targets still for a bit he takes button but if he wants expensive quicker moving long range at he can take a firefly and if he just wants to lose he can take 5 6pdrs if he really wants.

[Hicks58]

Why do they need it?

It's simple. It's the only direct AT option for British mainline infantry.

Americans have Stickies, Whermacht have Fausts(Volks) or Shrecks(Grens) while Panzer Elite have AT grenades or the option for Tank Busters.

Remove button and the British will have no direct AT capacity, no reason to maintain a respectful distance from your mainline infantry.

If button goes, a suitable direct AT replacement would be necessary, and slow mines wouldn't cut the cake - They are indirect. Useful, without a doubt, but indirect and do nothing for a squad that's been rushed by a vehicle.

[BigDick]

No because that would be mirroring axis have supieror tanks brits get the means to nullifiy them

your logic is a bit strange

allies get supper fast effective vehicles and even tanks (hint cromwell flankspeed) the vehicle disablers as counter need to be on axis side 

[RoyalHants]

Execpt a panther is faster than a firefly and even a crom belive me ive rage posted about it tiger isnt exactly slow also they are ,tread break and at nades (TH)

[BigDick]

Why do they need it?

It's simple. It's the only direct AT option for British mainline infantry.

Americans have Stickies, Whermacht have Fausts(Volks) or Shrecks(Grens) while Panzer Elite have AT grenades or the option for Tank Busters.

british gets a 4 men soldier armored squad with access to indirect firering AT that can even cloak


try again 

[NightRain]

Why do they need it?

It's simple. It's the only direct AT option for British mainline infantry.

Americans have Stickies, Whermacht have Fausts(Volks) or Shrecks(Grens) while Panzer Elite have AT grenades or the option for Tank Busters.

Remove button and the British will have no direct AT capacity, no reason to maintain a respectful distance from your mainline infantry.

If button goes, a suitable direct AT replacement would be necessary, and slow mines wouldn't cut the cake - They are indirect. Useful, without a doubt, but indirect and do nothing for a squad that's been rushed by a vehicle.

Any squad who hasn't bought those items are also in the same boat. Besides Brens are not Anti tank weapon either. They do penetrate and damage light vehicles but they do not destroy them. Items mentioned destroy and damage vehicles and heavy armor.

Also Tommies have access to Boys AT rifles from a Doctrine Unlock and I don't see any reason for tommies needing these weapons due to Sappers that are excellent with their PIATs.

[RoyalHants]

Yes but twinned with an atg or two they are an at weapon and sappers arent exactly tough are they

[RikiRude]

brits have button because their main at was piats, which cant hit moving targets very well, so you need button to stop them, they still need button for the same reason. if i didnt have button, i cant rely JUST on piats and 6 pounder to kill fast moving and flanking vehicles.

like said there is sticky and faust and tread breaker for those purposes.

i guess the problem is bren is so dual purpose. great ai, and helps against vehicles. maybe if brens cost 80mu and bren + button was 100mu on top of that? or something along those lines, i just threw those numbers in there, dont know what a good number would be.

[RoyalHants]

Its not actually that good at ai

[Hicks58]

Any squad who hasn't bought those items are also in the same boat. Besides Brens are not Anti tank weapon either. They do penetrate and damage light vehicles but they do not destroy them. Items mentioned destroy and damage vehicles and heavy armor.

Also Tommies have access to Boys AT rifles from a Doctrine Unlock and I don't see any reason for tommies needing these weapons due to Sappers that are excellent with their PIATs.

You have no idea if a squad is actually toting said piece of AT until it hits you in the face. Granted, you can see if a squad has button by the fact that the brengun icon is displayed, but the option of having a direct method to deal with vehicles exists.

So your implying that I rely on a single doctrine unlock to be able to have access to the same thing that EVERY other faction has? Also, Boys AT wouldn't have anything on Fausts, Stickies or AT nades. Each of those three items can damage vehicles and tanks alike. Boys AT gets laughed at upon engaging tanks.

Sappers are not mainline infantry, they are combat engineers, and are much more expensive in pool costs.

[BigDick]

brits have button because their main at was piats, which cant hit moving targets very well, so you need button to stop them,

yeah exactly and now they added moveable ATGuns that can even cloak in eir

they still need button for the same reason. if i didnt have button, i cant rely JUST on piats and 6 pounder to kill fast moving and flanking vehicles.

why not? that is what every wehr/us player need to rely on...some supporting inf for their ATGs

the brits even get cloak for their atg and for their supporting AT infantry (with insane buffs attached) for free

[RoyalHants]

Heat seeking shrecks and zooks?

And cloak is only in cover and isnt able to turn without breaking it

[Hicks58]

I dont care if button goes to be honest, there just needs to be a suitable direct AT/AT support function ready to replace it when it goes.

If not, any British AT positions are going to be extremely easy pickings for light vehicles.

[NightRain]

Yes but twinned with an atg or two they are an at weapon and sappers arent exactly tough are they

Any squad twinned with a ATG becomes a AT squad. Volks with slowmines for example. I see no logical sense in this statement.

PIATs do hit and once they hit, they hit hard. Even if they were nerfed I still enjoy PIATs rather much and I find them rather good AT, Button or no Button.

To kill light vehicles you use same strats as Wehr and PE. British have Stuart which represents Upgun Puma, Tetrach, Cromwell, Firefly and Staghound. What more do you want to fight vs Light vehicles? OH! I forgot. Bren MMG with AP rounds works also quite wonderfully.

Bren Button is overpowered, the ability to disable a tank was taken away from T17s as well and I see no reason why it should remain on the British Bren squad. A Durable Squad of 5 men with Soldier armor and 2 Brens and those brens can cut down infantry quite well.

Any other reason why British need to have Button?