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[SaintPauli]

People still forget that both the Tigers and the Pershings price should include what you get for a tier 3 unlock. Are both units so good that they equal spending the resources on other units + getting 2 free offmaps…

[spinn72]

Tiger will also die if you get bum rushed by 2 m10.   1 shot missed from tiger and youre dead.

Even 1 m10 can leave you with 1/3 hp if you can circle it.

I read this and couldn't read on, I was just laughing too hard!
Nug, you realise a Tiger is AI, support AT at best?

I currently run Tiger, Pak, wait for 26 pop then call storms with dual t3's. The ability to use the commander toggle so fast is awesome, you can use Tiger for sight, then when it gets rushed opt for reload & turret rotation which pwns tanks that try to flank!

Nug is probably not happy with tigers because he's using a tiger/sniper start. It's too expensive pop-wise to run both at the start of the game unless you KNOW you're going to win. Why use snipers to counter atg's when storms do the same thing, but deny that ATG forever?

[Mysthalin]

Wasn't nugnug banned from making balance threads?


FOR THIS PRECISE FUCKING REASON.

[Hicks58]

But but but... Myst, my 45 Range Pershings...

[BigDick]

wow is this still discussed?   anyways

The tiger used to have some justification in comparison to the Panther because it was cheaper in terms if MU allowing you to spend more on you infantry. Now that the side skirts have moved to a FU pricing the fully upgraded Panther is not only cheaper but a superior tank in the current meta game – it also saves you a level 3 unlock that can be used for 4xBlits or Dual Repairs or Stuka Bomber + Recon run…  

thats actually totally wrong...

1. i never got skirts on a panther because it was a waste of munitions...ok it made it perform 10% worse

2. i got tigers exactly because they are the superior tanks almost same pop and resource wise while much superior in AI and superior in AT
especially when fighting armor the panther gets raped by a pershing while doing totally shit vs inf and is not much less in resources
if you are not fighting churchil companies without a firefly the panther is a complete crap and shit tank

and don't come me with sight e.g. bike and range advantage....thats just theory where you can throw in counter arguments like support the pershing with jeep and block panther = gg range advantage

Tiger AI >>>> 2 M10 AI

thats actually unfortunately wrong...the M10 is in rights hands fantastic AI but thats more a thing that is imbalanced on m10 and makes it so superior to some other stuff you can get and not justification to argue about tiger range

Nug is probably not happy with tigers because he's using a tiger/sniper start. It's too expensive pop-wise to run both at the start of the game unless you KNOW you're going to win. Why use snipers to counter atg's when storms do the same thing, but deny that ATG forever?

using storms against ATGs that are still in an intact defense line is actually a very very bad idea....but so is the sniper tiger start when your team is not prepared for that

[DarkSoldierX]

thats actually unfortunately wrong...the M10 is in rights hands fantastic AI but thats more a thing that is imbalanced on m10 and makes it so superior to some other stuff you can get and not justification to argue about tiger range

Concidering Tiger AI range is 40, and M10 AI range is 0, its more than right.

When you have something that 0 range good luck getting a kill or two off a infantry squad then backing off.

[BigDick]

thats compensated by speed/mobility and the fact that you cant get wtfROFLpwnd by stickies

[AmPM]

The only range change I see as balancing would be STuG main gun to 45

[Katusha]

The only range change I see as balancing would be STuG main gun to 45

+1, also was StuG increased to 150 fuel? I forgot, if it was, definitely needs 45 range

[Demon767]

Wasn't nugnug banned from making balance threads?


FOR THIS PRECISE FUCKING REASON.

+1

[AmPM]

+1, also was StuG increased to 150 fuel? I forgot, if it was, definitely needs 45 range

Yea, something like that.  And with skirts they cost about as much as an M18.

[nugnugx]

I read this and couldn't read on, I was just laughing too hard!
Nug, you realise a Tiger is AI, support AT at best?

Tiger support AT ? and mainly AI ? Now i'm laughing too hard

Wasn't nugnug banned from making balance threads?


FOR THIS PRECISE FUCKING REASON.

+1

No , demon stop your typical spamming if you don't have anything to say.


Keeps-  m10 and m18 are 'medium' tank destroyer   not a HEAVY tank destroyer. It's to counter p4 stug and all pe turetless tanks.

Concidering Tiger AI range is 40, and M10 AI range is 0, its more than right.

m10 often snipes infantry.

Lol, somehow a unit having support is theory crafting lol!

Great, now we need to buff pak and 57mm vs infantry because they cost more than a rifleman squad, but they loose to it.

Yes, because if you balance unit on the fact of the SUPPORT you need to bring for it to be effective it means it's shit unit from the get go.


When a unit like KCH is balanced in a AI role people don't say you need to have 1 hmg for KCH to be effective because they are already a AI force on themselves.
Tiger is both AI and AT  and not like some claim  'support'.

Pershing is currently much more effective than Tiger because axis don't have a high speed higher range tank like m10 and m18.

[marda145]

Lol, somehow a unit having support is theory crafting lol!

Great, now we need to buff pak and 57mm vs infantry because they cost more than a rifleman squad, but they loose to it.

HE rounds to at guns, mmmmm...

[DarkSoldierX]

Ok, I am going to be the first to say.



I am going to totally ignore this thread further on due to the retardation of the creator of it. If you want to join me copy and paste.

[nugnugx]

Ok, I am going to be the first to say.



I am going tot totally ignore this thread further on due to the retardation of the creator of it. If you want to join me copy and paste.

Everyone who goes offtopic and starts to be retarded pls moderator ban them as to the policy of this board.

[Demon767]

I am allowed to show support.

[nugnugx]

I am allowed to show support.

not for trolling

[Demon767]

I am not trolling, you might have figured that out when no one is supporting you in a balance discussion. AGAIN

[Mister Schmidt]

This isn't going to happen, nothing is getting a range increase, so drop it please nugnug.

[nugnugx]

I am not trolling, you might have figured that out when no one is supporting you in a balance discussion. AGAIN

balance discussion and who is supporting me or not has nothing to do with your trolling in this thread.