Weapon Cache System

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[PonySlaystation]

We have a new pool to replace oversupply, this is called the Weapons Cache pool, and it is exactly what it sounds like, a pool for weapons and upgrades.

It's very simple, upgrades and weapons that are consistently spammed or deemed powerful enough shall draw from this weapons pool along with it's subsequent resources. Once the pool is drained, you can no longer purchase items that draw from that pool.


So, as the numbers are plugged in, you will see a dramatic drop off in some types of strategies that rely heavily on a particular weapon or an upgrade, etc. However, now that we have another category by which to restrict the usage of upgrades, players might very well see price reductions in the cost to employ such weapons. Panzerschrecks may come down in price, as well as thompsons, allowing your companies more flexability while not necessarily increasing the concentration of the weapons that get their price reduced.


Quite simply, this new pool is supposed to be a tax on spam, it's not designed to make companies boring and uniform.

I made a list of units and upgrades that should be prioritized when you implement the values for the weapon cache system.

Stormtrooper Mp44
Fallshirmjäger FG42
Commando Sten SMGs
Ranger Thompsons
Airborne Recoilless Rifles
Riflemen Sticky Nades
Volksgrenadier Panzerfaust
Knights Cross Holders Panzerfaust
Panzer Grenadier Magnetic AT Grenades
All 1x Panzershrecks
Riflemen Bazookas
All AT Rifles
Airborne Satchel Charge
.30 Cal HMG AP Rounds
Assault Engineer Shotguns
Assault Grenades
50mm Halftrack
Officer Artillery

These weapons or units are currently overpriced but must still be limited because if spammed they are too powerful, to limit spamming of these units the cost was increased but that just made them less appealing when choosing units. They should go down in price but be limited to an amount of upgrades or units.

[WildZontar]

From what I also heard, was that this Weapon cache pool was also designed so that you could have 5 pool vanilla rangers, but upgrading them with thompsons would bring them in-line with their former pool number. Can anyone confirm on this?

[8thRifleRegiment]

Just a quick estimate of what some values could be

Stormtrooper Mp44 [3-5]

Fallshirmjäger FG42 [2-5]

Commando Sten SMGs [2-5]

Ranger Thompsons [3-6]

Airborne Recoilless Rifles [3-6]

Riflemen Sticky Nades [1-4]

Volksgrenadier Panzerfaust [1-4]

Knights Cross Holders Panzerfaust [1-4]

Panzer Grenadier Magnetic AT Grenades/ 1-4

All 1x Panzershrecks [1-3]

Riflemen Bazookas [1-3]

All AT Rifles [1-3]

Airborne Satchel Charge [1-3]

.30 Cal HMG AP Rounds [1-2]

Assault Engineer Shotguns [2-6]

Browning Automatic Rifle [2-4]

Assault Grendes, Both Types [4-6]

[Shabtajus]

well its the first step to avoid spam and retarded companies in the future. if this mod will deal with smurfing it will be a nice mod who will make more ppl stay longer than 1 game after  meeting retarded stomps

[3rdCondor]

I've kinda warmed up to the idea now... after some resistance.

[Hicks58]

I'm loving how Assault isn't on your list of priorities.

[PonySlaystation]

I'm loving how Assault isn't on your list of priorities.

But it was heavily nerfed?

Fine, I'll add it.

[3rdCondor]

Would weapon cache be a good way to safely bring back t17 stun (TAMED)?

[TheIcelandicManiac]

I like the idea that Volks had about Phos rounds(t17stun) where instead of Having it like button it would just remove the Sight of a tank for 40 sec and lower the Acc a little for the unit.

[DarkSoldierX]

Would weapon cache be a good way to safely bring back t17 stun (TAMED)?

You crazy lol

Define your version of tamed. Old t17 stun was super OP.

[EIRRMod]

Would weapon cache be a good way to safely bring back t17 stun (TAMED)?

Yes

[EIRRMod]

I made a list of units and upgrades that should be prioritized when you implement the values for the weapon cache system.

Stormtrooper Mp44
Fallshirmjäger FG42
Commando Sten SMGs
Ranger Thompsons
Airborne Recoilless Rifles
Riflemen Sticky Nades
Volksgrenadier Panzerfaust
Knights Cross Holders Panzerfaust
Panzer Grenadier Magnetic AT Grenades
All 1x Panzershrecks
Riflemen Bazookas
All AT Rifles
Airborne Satchel Charge
.30 Cal HMG AP Rounds
Assault Engineer Shotguns
Assault Grenades
50mm Halftrack
All Snipers (I'm not sure about this one)

These weapons or units are currently overpriced but must still be limited because if spammed they are too powerful, to limit spamming of these units the cost was increased but that just made them less appealing when choosing units. They should go down in price but be limited to an amount of upgrades or units.

Good list

[EIRRMod]

From what I also heard, was that this Weapon cache pool was also designed so that you could have 5 pool vanilla rangers, but upgrading them with thompsons would bring them in-line with their former pool number. Can anyone confirm on this?

Lower pool rangers pulling from Infantry yeah, but having a base 'cache' cost to compensate.

So, lets say they are 2 cache, they can lower their infantry pool to 4 or 5ish.

Same goes for other Elite infantry.

This system will also allow us to reduce certain upgrades that have had a high MU cost such as shreks or MP44s etc - as adding a cache cost will restrict their usage.

[RikiRude]

it will also be good to see units like engs/sappers be low pool cost until upgraded. they should be like 2 rather than 6.

[Tymathee]

mmm, liking this more n more. who came up with this idea, its genius

[MorkaandBorka]

Morkas gf does not approve.


I give it......4 THUMBS DOWN

[EIRRMod]

mmm, liking this more n more. who came up with this idea, its genius

Duh, me of course.

I knew oversupply needed to go, and the BT + Unkn0wn wanted to be able to assign some sort of pool to upgrades.

So, I killed two birds with 1 stone.
Luckily the police havent found either body, and Im not sure what this has to do with the Weapons cache, just sayin'

[Shabtajus]

but its still available to run 6 snipers in company build. This should be fixed
http://forums.europeinruins.com/index.php?topic=20768.0

[Tymathee]

Duh, me of course.

I knew oversupply needed to go, and the BT + Unkn0wn wanted to be able to assign some sort of pool to upgrades.

So, I killed two birds with 1 stone.
Luckily the police havent found either body, and Im not sure what this has to do with the Weapons cache, just sayin'

lol nice. and yeah glad oversupply is gone. upgrade pool is nice. Will it include vehicle upgrades as well? Maybe not the .50 cals but like canister shot n stuff.

[lionel23]

So is the oversupply really gone?  It's still possible (and quite annoying) to fight a single guy with 6 snipers in his company.

And when will the actual implementation of the Weapon Cache for units like rangers be done so they can be used as vanilla mainline infantry?  Is that slated for another patch?