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[Valexandes]

There are a number of older threads about this but I was hoping to get some more up to date opinions.
What are the biggest pros and cons of the m18 and m10?
Is the machine gun on the m18 worth it?
What differences are there in playstyle of the two?

[nugnugx]

m10

there is no single reason to buy m18 over m10.

M10 is faster better accel better pen.

m18 can cloak for 'defensive' fighting , but you shouldn't even defend with this kind of tank , you rely on your speed and 5 more range than other tanks to win and m10 does that way better than m18.
M10 is a better circler also thanks to better speed.
Machingun on m18 is worth nothing, because with m10 you can drive over inf without a problem.
m18 is the gimped version of m10 that is 'supposed' to do a slight different role.'Supposed' is in quotation marks because it fails at it's other role and the main role is also worse.

To sum up:

M10 is the real anti tank hunter
M18 wants to be a anti tank hunter and an ambusher like hetzer - its worse than m10 at anti tank and worse at ambushin than a hetzer because hetzer has better frontal armor and even 5 more range.

[hans]

[WildZontar]

M18 lol.

[smurfORnot]

nug,I saw m18's being pretty epic in right hands!
after the patch everyone was,waaat,why would you want m10 over m18?! m18 is OP and stuff like that.

[BigDick]

m10

there is no single reason to buy m18 over m10.

M10 is faster better accel better pen.

fail
m18 is faster since latest coh patch and there are several reasons to buy m18s
- faster
- able to get .50cal
- cheaper
- rapetastic with hvap
- ambush / repair cloaked
- and the most important reason is the increased +10 sight making it able to kite most axis tanks and generally giving better battlefield overview

if ur not facing panthers hellcats are awesome

[nugnugx]

- faster

Ok by 0.4    6.8 and 7.2 is not realy noticable because axis don't have anything medium tanks which are that fast.

- able to get .50cal

Would never buy it on it anyway

- cheaper

Price for them doesn't matter because you won't buy additional m18 for the price of same numbers of m10

- rapetastic with hvap

so is m10

- ambush / repair cloaked

Not useful, if you don't repair at spawn you still risk him if he is higher on lines

nd the most important reason is the increased +10 sight making it able to kite most axis tanks and generally giving better battlefield overview

10 sight ? wtf? they have same sight. He might have more sight when he cloaks but that shouldn't count.

if ur not facing panthers hellcats are awesome

m10s are even more awesome because they have more penetration which is most important

m10 pen :

long: 0.84
medium: 0.92
short:  1

m18 pen:

long: 0.63
medium: 0.69
short 0.75


With m18 even at point blank range you don't have 100% chance to penetrate like with m10.

[RikiRude]

i dont think nugs used an m18 because he's full of fail.

m10 has better penetration than m18, and that's the end!

its less fu, faster, has more sight, which alone makes it more worth having.

ambush is AWESOME, if you are able to sneak up and get an ambush rear shot on a P4, you'll always beat it in a 1v1. But it's better to run up ambush shot, then run away so you can do it again.

hellcat holds its own very well against infantry, it snipes them at a decent rate (for a TD) and with the extra sight, it's super easy to kite said infantry.

on its own the .50 doesn't do much, but if you have an MG or something close it'll help suppress anything quicker, i buy the .50 for all my hellcats, but i havent figured out if it's worth it or not.

slow mines are awesome too if you have spare mu laying around.

[BigDick]

10 sight ? wtf? they have same sight. He might have more sight when he cloaks but that shouldn't count.

no they don't

[nugnugx]

m10 has better penetration than m18, and that's the end!

and that's the most important part in a 'anti-tank' tank.
/eot

[RikiRude]

You can either get 6 m10s or 6m18s and a quad for the same fu. that means a lot to some people depending on what kind of coy they are running (AB for instance).

also you wouldnt believe how many times cloaked repair has done me amazing feats. if there's any reason why my m18 doesnt really have time to make it back to spawn to repair, i hide it on the side of the map and repair it. works wonders. also having that extra time to finish repairing before something finds you is great.

also ive seen m18s do perfectly well against panthers, though yes i would take m10 over m18 if i knew i was facing panthers.

[RikiRude]

honestly this discussion could be over before you even opened your mouth with most people complaining that the m18 is OP and needs to be nerfed. That says volumes over any stats you can give.

[nugnugx]

You can either get 6 m10s or 6m18s and a quad for the same fu. that means a lot to some people depending on what kind of coy they are running (AB for instance).

You can have 1 more quad and that's a big difference?  

also you wouldnt believe how many times cloaked repair has done me amazing feats.

You are right, i don't believe you.

also ive seen m18s do perfectly well against panthers, though yes i would take m10 over m18 if i knew i was facing panthers.

Yes i've also seen m8s do perfectly fines against panthers at certain circumstances, does that prove that m8 is as efficient in killing a panther as m18?


With m10s i can take on tigers panther and king tiger, i dare you to try that with a m18, you will be facepalming from the number of bounced shots more than you will have moments of penetrating, and when you will actualy penetrate it, you will considet it to be -good-, well guess what, with a m10 you penetrate on roughly 80% from my statistics of gameplay, with m18 its hit or miss, and those moments of wonder do not count becasue any unit can have those and m18 plauses in a 50% pen chance roughly.

complaining that the m18 is OP and needs to be nerfed

Yes and peopel say that democracy is the best system there ever was......... but it has 100 years vs thousands of human history and soon there will be no more democracry anyways.
Don't believe the facts, believe what others say.

[Hicks58]

The biggest leg up that the M18 has on the M10 is the fact that the M18 can fire at max range without requiring a spotter. If you use an M10, you've got to get into their firing range to take your shot unless you've got assistance, which is more costs for your company.

80% penetration rate? Where in god's name did you pull that from? The M10 and M18 share the same target table... Which says against Tigers, you've got 0.55 penetration, Panthers 0.4, StuG's 0.6, Hetzer's 0.6 and JagdPanthers 0.42.

That's assuming your sitting in the target's face, which unless you happen to have a death wish or you've managed to pull off a point blank circle jerk... I can assure you that you wont be, at least not by yourself.

Cloaked repairs allows for near front line repairs, cutting out huge travel times (Depending on the map) between spawn and the front. Time that can easily make the difference.

Taking on a Tiger or a King Tiger with an M18? Piece of piss. Kite the Tiger to death, and use the speed to make sure the King Tiger never gets a shot off. It wont matter how many rounds I bounce as long as he's not capable of throwing one back.

Only against Panthers does the M10 truly shine over the M18, as the Panther ranges you and can turn it's turret faster than you can move... So penetration is what you'll need.

This is looking at the Hellcat against Wolverine without even looking into the combat applications of the Hellcat's cloak, slow mines or .50cal MG.

[Tymathee]

lulz i love how nug failed so hard on m-18 stats.

to be honest, as a pure TD M-10 beats it hands down because of penetration and IMO stability.

The 50 cal is underrated, it's the same as on the M2, M8 and Sherman and its only 35 mu. Hawks are 20 and u get 2 and u can place 'em while cloaked.

cloak is awesome with ambush bonuses and the ability to repair while cloaked. They're faster, have better accel, better decel (goin backwards, stopping after moving as well)  and they have 46 sight as opposed to 35 for the m-10.

Thats huge imo, range is 45 for both which means u can almost always get that first shot off without having to scout and the m-10 can't. Also u can use m-18 as a secondary scouting unit, seeing units that can't see you.

So, m-18 is a much better support unit, that excels with other units, while the m-10 is more of a unit that you charge in. Maybe m-10 should get a bit more health, like 50-100

[Mysthalin]

Any tanker worth his mettle knows the true reason why the M18 is cheaper than the M10.

It's pathing eats donkey shit for breakfast.

[Hicks58]

Any tanker worth his mettle knows the true reason why the M18 is cheaper than the M10.

It's pathing eats donkey shit for breakfast.

Such truth... If the thing had smoother pathing, I'd probably replace my HVAP Pershings with M18's. A hefty dose of caffeine and concentration and the things would rarely be hit.

But alas, the M18 drivers turned up to work drunk that day.

[Audemed]

M18 is vastly superior for anything other than bum rushing damaged heavies. Anyone who says otherwise is quite obviously clueless.

[Hicks58]

Pure combat, the M10 is better than the M18. Put each vehicle in ideal situations, the M10 will be better... It's just the M18 is capable of putting and keeping itself in it's ideal conditions, the M10 cannot without external assistance or incredible amounts of blind luck.

[AmPM]

Any tanker worth his mettle knows the true reason why the M18 is cheaper than the M10.

It's pathing eats donkey shit for breakfast.

+1, it's worse than a STuG sometimes and makes the Tiger AI look like a pro driver.